Planned Parenthood Director Leaves, Has Change of Heart

[xbuddycorex]

Planned Parenthood has been a part of Abby Johnson's life for the past eight years; that is until last month, when Abby resigned. Johnson said she realized she wanted to leave, after watching an ultrasound of an abortion procedure.

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[Blue Velvet]

Originally Posted by xbuddycorex

Johnson said she realized she wanted to leave, after watching an ultrasound of an abortion procedure.

This is what she said. However, there is another side to the story:

It is this history that is why I have my doubts about this conversion. From what Johnson herself told me when she first announced that she had resigned from director of Planned Parenthood was that she had quit not because of moral reasons but because of a disagreement with Planned Parenthood. Johnson had complained about the amount of work that she was required to do, and recently a key member of the staff had accepted another position at another Planned Parenthood facility. There is speculation that this conversation was not as much about a change of heart but more about a disgruntled employee.

According to an article in Salon, Johnson was put on a performance improvement plan by Planned Parenthood on October 2nd of this year, only a year after being awarded "Employee of the Year." Planned Parenthood has also filed a temporary restraining order against Johnson and the Coalition for Life. According to the restraining order Johnson was observed removing materials from the facility, copying confidential files, a possibly giving confidential personal information about a Planned Parenthood employee to the Coalition for Life.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/dia...thood-employee

[Zombie Acorn]

Even if she did... who cares.

[xbuddycorex]

Originally Posted by Blue Velvet

This is what she said. However, there is another side to the story:

Hmmmm ... I hadn't heard about that. I wonder if this is a PR smear campaign on her part due to the fact that she is supposedly disgruntled.

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

Even if she did... who cares.

Obviously you cared enough to click the link, read the post, click the "reply" button, and type your oh so well thought out response. Why waste our time ( by our I am including you ) for such a meaningless post that contributes nothing to the thread?

[Tesselator]

Planned Parenthood (PPFA), the IBM/Microsoft Foundation funded Nazi-American Eugenics Organization?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27780

It's not completely dead yet? Damn Nazis!

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by xbuddycorex

Obviously you cared enough to click the link, read the post, click the "reply" button, and type your oh so well thought out response. Why waste our time ( by our I am including you ) for such a meaningless post that contributes nothing to the thread?

My point was, whats your point? Even if one person did have a change of heart does that automatically make abortion some evil practice? If I decide tomorrow that Obama is the greatest president in the world does that actually say anything?

[Iscariot]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

If I decide tomorrow that Obama is the greatest president in the world does that actually say anything?

It might say something about the education level in your country

…I put the smiley because we already know how low it is.

[xbuddycorex]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

My point was, whats your point? Even if one person did have a change of heart does that automatically make abortion some evil practice? If I decide tomorrow that Obama is the greatest president in the world does that actually say anything?

Nope, but she was a director at Planned Parenthood. If Barack Obama resigned from his presidency one day citing he had a change of heart on democracy that would say something ... Wouldn't it?

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by xbuddycorex

Nope, but she was a director at Planned Parenthood. If Barack Obama resigned from his presidency one day citing he had a change of heart on democracy that would say something ... Wouldn't it?

So if Obama resigned tomorrow stating he had a change in heart you would suddenly believe democracy was evil? People are allowed to change their opinions, if she thinks abortion is bad then that is fine, its not going to persuade me to believe it is. If Obama steps down tomorrow stating he is going to be a communist instead it doesn't make me want to be a communist.

[Tesselator]

So, wait. This argument is still legitimate? I thought scientists had now already proven that life begins at conception some time ago? If that's true isn't casual abortion murder? Y'all don't think murder is evil?

I'm confused.

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

So, wait. This argument is still legitimate? I thought scientists had now already proven that life begins at conception some time ago? If that's true isn't casual abortion murder? Y'all don't think murder is evil?

I'm confused.

You are going to have to cite some study to show that life began at conception. I have a hard time believing that a cluster of cells dividing constitutes life right off the bat.

[bobber205]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

You are going to have to cite some study to show that life began at conception. I have a hard time believing that a cluster of cells dividing constitutes life right off the bat.

I agree. Abortion is never a decision made lightly by anyone. Saying that it's just "casual murder" implies this.

[xbuddycorex]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

So if Obama resigned tomorrow stating he had a change in heart you would suddenly believe democracy was evil? People are allowed to change their opinions, if she thinks abortion is bad then that is fine, its not going to persuade me to believe it is. If Obama steps down tomorrow stating he is going to be a communist instead it doesn't make me want to be a communist.

Did I ever say that this should move people to believing that abortion is evil? It's nothing but interesting news.

Originally Posted by bobber205

I agree. Abortion is never a decision made lightly by anyone. Saying that it's just "casual murder" implies this.

Oh it is made lightly by some, I know people that the title "casual murder" would be applicable.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

So, wait. This argument is still legitimate? I thought scientists had now already proven that life begins at conception some time ago? If that's true isn't casual abortion murder? Y'all don't think murder is evil?

I'm confused.

I believe you meant "scientists" not scientists.

[Tesselator]

Umm, well maybe I got it wrong - I don't really follow the abortion issue too closely. I understand it for medical emergencies.


So "Life Begins At Conception" let's see:

• Yes - http://www.fallibleblogma.com/index....n-life-begins/
• Yes - http://www.americanprinciplesproject...ific-case.html
• Yes times 12 - http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/p...nception.shtml
  
  
• The Official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the "Human Life Bill," summarized the issue this way:
  

  Originally Posted by Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981, 7

  
  Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.

  And there are 76,200 more links - many or most of them are on-topic hits agreeing that life does indeed begin at conception.

And "Life does NOT begin at conception":

Whoops, out of the first 30 results I see nothing credible.

There are only 600 total hits and none of them look scientific (from the 1st 200). In fact the majority of them read like: If life does not begin at conception then we have no idea when it does.

So thinking that it doesn't is only wishful thinking it seems - maybe to protect those friends and family members who killed their babies. That sounds terrible but I don't know what else it could be. I have 4 children and I can tell you that I knew each time (within a few hours or so after the orgasm) that conception (fertilization) occurred. I never guessed I had fertilized and got it wrong. Maybe just coincidence? BTW, I we had a lot of sex too! It's not like we copulated only 4 or 5 times or something. I guess between 600 and 1,000 times during the 25 years we were married before my wife passed on.


So from here I guess I reiterate my original question:

This argument is still legitimate? I thought scientists had now already proven that life begins at conception some time ago? If that's true isn't casual abortion murder? Y'all don't think murder is evil?

I'm confused.

[Shivetya]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

My point was, whats your point? Even if one person did have a change of heart does that automatically make abortion some evil practice? If I decide tomorrow that Obama is the greatest president in the world does that actually say anything?

Considering that it mostly affects minorities, was pushed by a minority hating person, nah, I can't see anything wrong with it.

I guess its okay to kill them before their born, they can't sue, we never see their faces, and its big big money. Just think of all the money we save, and lives, if one of these little things actually made it daylight and lived it would commit heinous crimes for which we could not end their life.

I know, lets test all the little buggers and determine if they are predisposed to violence through their genes and pump them out! That will fix everything. We can also get rid of those who would have been born to undesirable groups too!!!


Go read up on Planned Parenthood's founders. Have fun.

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Shivetya

Considering that it mostly affects minorities, was pushed by a minority hating person, nah, I can't see anything wrong with it.

I guess its okay to kill them before their born, they can't sue, we never see their faces, and its big big money. Just think of all the money we save, and lives, if one of these little things actually made it daylight and lived it would commit heinous crimes for which we could not end their life.

I know, lets test all the little buggers and determine if they are predisposed to violence through their genes and pump them out! That will fix everything. We can also get rid of those who would have been born to undesirable groups too!!!

They don't have faces if the abortion is performed in a reasonable time.

[Tomorrow]

I've always wondered whether "Planned Parenthood" was a misnomer - shouldn't they be called "Unplanned Parenthood" instead?

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Tomorrow

I've always wondered whether "Planned Parenthood" was a misnomer - shouldn't they be called "Unplanned Parenthood" instead?

I think they give condoms/bc out too though.

[leekohler]

People change all the time. It's OK.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

They don't have faces if the abortion is performed in a reasonable time.

And that would be within the first week. After that they do.

[leekohler]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

And that would be within the first week. After that they do.

Umm...you're going to have to prove that. It would do you well to research before you post.

[Zombie Acorn]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

And that would be within the first week. After that they do.

Your eyes don't even start to form until week 6, in the first 3 weeks you are still a clump of cells.

[eastercat]

Originally Posted by Tesselator

And "Life does NOT begin at conception":[indent]Whoops, out of the first 30 results I see nothing credible.

Perhaps you need to expand your reading material.
For example, Carl Sagan wrote about abortion.
http://www.deeppencil.com/carl-sagan...ience-of-life/

Whether the former director changed her mind for personal or monetary reasons, she is well within her right to do so.

BTW, I call myself Green because the Reds were no different than the Republicans or Democrats in their decision making process. Perhaps you need to do some more reading or find better educated people to quote.

[Tesselator]

Originally Posted by Zombie Acorn

Your eyes don't even start to form until week 6, in the first 3 weeks you are still a clump of cells.

No, it's week 1. Just like I said.

The face begins to form rapidly after day 5. You can even see eyes and the start of a head by day 5. You have to turn it just right and the rest of the body isn't really there yet but the face kinda is.


5 days post conception.


By week 6 or 7 it looks like a complete baby to me:


Week 6 and 8.