If Apple was never created?

mickbab · Nov 18, 2009, 05:02 AM

Imagine that the company Apple Inc. did not exist.

I approach you today, and have a quick chat to you, and show you some things.

"Hi. I'm Steven Jobs and I've just started a new technology company called Apple. Our products include: computers, which we call 'Macs'; portable media players, called 'iPods'; and a touchscreen mobile phone, called the 'iPhone'.

"Take a look at our notebook line. We call these the 'MacBooks':"

"Here is our desktop computer range:"

"Here are our 'iPods' - our portable media players:"

"And finally, the iPhone:"

***

What do you say?

r.j.s · Nov 18, 2009, 05:10 AM

I don't get it. So, Apple never existed, but you are asking our opinion of their current products?

jmann · Nov 18, 2009, 05:10 AM

Give me them all for free. I'll take a few months to give them all a test run, and then agree to fund you to mass produce them if I like them.

kthnxbai

wvuwhat · Nov 18, 2009, 05:11 AM

They look expensive, but I kinda want everything...check?

mickbab · Nov 18, 2009, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r.j.s

I don't get it. So, Apple never existed, but you are asking our opinion of their current products?

No the idea was that if Apple had never existed til now, and you were shown their new product line to open the company with, what would you think of them?

If that makes any sense.

MorphingDragon · Nov 18, 2009, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickbab

Imagine that the company Apple Inc. did not exist.

I approach you today, and have a quick chat to you, and show you some things.

"Hi. I'm Steven Jobs and I've just started a new technology company called Apple. Our products include: computers, which we call 'Macs'; portable media players, called 'iPods'; and a touchscreen mobile phone, called the 'iPhone'.

"Take a look at our notebook line. We call these the 'MacBooks':"

"Here is our desktop computer range:"

"Here are our 'iPods' - our portable media players:"

"And finally, the iPhone:"

***

What do you say?

THIS!!!

MrCheeto · Nov 18, 2009, 05:18 AM

If Apple never existed...I'd have a life... but they do existed... I don't miss it...

I'd say "Woah something original, not to mention elegant. Looking at them they probably run like doody down a hippo's bum. I bet they just use the pretty shell to make up for the crappy performance, like the lambourghini notebook by Acer or whoever. Not to mention the price, looks like they jack you to have a pretty silver laptop. And they don't run Windows...that means NO applications... lame. Pretty though."

Actually that sounds like me in 2007... Hm...

irmongoose · 06:35 PM

I'll take one.

irmongoose

Queso · Nov 18, 2009, 10:03 AM

I'd be "yeah great but none of my WMA music will play on it, my WMV website videos don't play, and it doesn't have a completely 100% necessary parallel port for my printer".

lewis82 · Nov 18, 2009, 04:48 PM

And if it never existed Windows Aero would not exist...

And maybe Windows still wouldn't exist!

After all Apple pionnered the GUI with the Mac (I know they weren't first, but they were the first to mass sell it), so if if didn't exist to give the example to MS, maybe we would still run command line OSes...

jav6454 · Nov 18, 2009, 04:54 PM

Then Windows 98 would be the current thing..... ugh

Chaszmyr · Nov 18, 2009, 04:55 PM

I think if Apple never existed, the technology sector would have turned out very similar (except with slightly uglier products), except 2-3 years behind where it is. As such, Apple's current products would seem pretty advanced and I'd be impressed.

chown33 · Nov 18, 2009, 05:29 PM

"Good luck, Mr. Jobs. I'm not ready to get rid of my Xerox Contralto yet, but you might be able to take customers away from IBM's Mobile-OS/2k."

On second thought, there never would have been an Apple II, no Visicalc, and IBM would not have seen the business potential of entering the personal computer market, because it would be considered just a bunch of geek toys.

adder7712 · Nov 18, 2009, 09:09 PM

"They look shiny. I want one!"

Mexbearpig · Nov 18, 2009, 09:41 PM

I'd probably say for that price, good luck.
But after using them I would say it's worth more but not that much.

greygray · Nov 19, 2009, 01:05 AM

I don't want all these crap. I came here to look for that red or green round fruit with a stalk.

leomac08 · Nov 19, 2009, 01:43 PM

okay so if apple didn't exist till today 11/19/09.....

i would say!

"WAIT!!!! WTH!????!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO ARE THESE INTELLIGENT FREAKS?I LOVE WINDOWS 7 (EVEN THOUGH I CANNOT AFFORD $130-$500 dollars to buy their Operating System )!!!!!!!!!! and PC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who the hect are you guys?! I'm a PC, over 85% of the western world is PC.. I'm still running windows 98 on my compaq and multiple IBM's from work....get in line."

tristangage · Nov 19, 2009, 03:30 PM

I would say: What's with all the 'i's?!
Oh and what exactly is a 'Mac'?

mscriv · Nov 19, 2009, 03:59 PM

Your theory is flawed in it's view of the space time continuum. If Apple never existed then this website/forum would never have been created and you would not be able to even pose such a question in this medium to mac fans who would not even be mac fans and thus would not have the knowledge base from which to postulate a world without Apple products. Does this make sense? Of course it doesn't! I hate time travel stories.... my head hurts...

leomac08 · Nov 19, 2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscriv

Your theory is flawed in it's view of the space time continuum. If Apple never existed then this website/forum would never have been created and you would not be able to even pose such a question in this medium to mac fans who would not even be mac fans and thus would not have the knowledge base from which to postulate a world without Apple products. Does this make sense? Of course it doesn't! I hate time travel stories.... my head hurts...

OP......this man has a good point +1 A+ paper for me!

MacNut · Nov 19, 2009, 06:33 PM

If Apple didn't exist someone else would have come along with innovation and maybe produced something better or maybe something worse. But to say that nothing would have happened because Apple was never founded is kind of silly. The real question is what if Woz and Jobs never met. Or what if Jobs never came back to Apple.

adder7712 · Nov 19, 2009, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacNut

Or what if Jobs never came back to Apple.

NEXTSTEP will look like today's Mac OS X and we are probably using Copland.

But Steve is Apple's saviour.

ibbieta · Nov 19, 2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickbab

What do you say?

Will this replace my typewriter and walkman?

63dot · 09:43 PM

Unless I am a complete idiot, I would see that this company, Apple Inc, has products better than what is out there. I would invest in them if I had some start up money.

The key is for investors to see great new starts out there and invest early. A friend of mine ditched a pretty established company for a then-unknown startup which seems to be doing OK getting to the next step. If this all works, then I think he will be very, very rich.

Many years ago, whether this has to do with profit or not, the janitor outside the Mac lab (we used Mac Classics), mentioned he was involved in this new thing called VA Linux. I listened to his "story", but I was skeptical, but he seemed to know what he was talking about.

Not long after, I met someone who was starting a slew of companies for the growing internet phenomenon, so like a ton of business and computer science students, I dropped out of school. I was an MBA student in the late-90s, and I figured the long term gamble would be worth it getting in early on dot.com instead of finishing school. I should have finished school. But at least I didn't put my money into all those startups which at first made people money, on paper, at unrealistic rates. This inflation of supposed wealth did not match these companies' lack of revenue. Many accountants showed skepticism while a lot of geek types thought that it could hold itself up without sales. I knew people involved with Napster, Home, and WebVan and they thought they would be the next Microsoft and IBM. When it fell apart, it was a nearly complete annihilation of people's money.

eawmp1 · Nov 19, 2009, 09:30 PM

I don't deal in hypotheticals!

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Nov 18, 2009, 05:02 AM	#1
mickbab macrumors 6502a Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In my room	If Apple was never created? Imagine that the company Apple Inc. did not exist. I approach you today, and have a quick chat to you, and show you some things. "Hi. I'm Steven Jobs and I've just started a new technology company called Apple. Our products include: computers, which we call 'Macs'; portable media players, called 'iPods'; and a touchscreen mobile phone, called the 'iPhone'. "Take a look at our notebook line. We call these the 'MacBooks':" "Here is our desktop computer range:" "Here are our 'iPods' - our portable media players:" "And finally, the iPhone:" *** What do you say? __________________ Welcome to 2010!

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r.j.s macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Forum Spy	I don't get it. So, Apple never existed, but you are asking our opinion of their current products? __________________ 2009 15" MBP 2.8GHz 4GB 500GB // Late 2006 MB 2GHz 3GB 500GB // 2nd Gen 16GB iPod Touch OS X Tutorial Videos\|Suggest new tutorials

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irmongoose macrumors 68030 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sometimes Tokyo, sometimes California	I'll take one. irmongoose __________________ A Film and Artwork Portfolio Last edited by irmongoose : Nov 19, 2009 at 06:35 PM.

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Queso macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sota el mar	I'd be "yeah great but none of my WMA music will play on it, my WMV website videos don't play, and it doesn't have a completely 100% necessary parallel port for my printer". __________________ I has an iPad nano 3G S⃣

Nov 18, 2009, 05:11 AM	#4
wvuwhat macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2007	They look expensive, but I kinda want everything...check?

Nov 18, 2009, 05:18 AM	#7
MrCheeto macrumors 6502a Join Date: Nov 2008	If Apple never existed...I'd have a life... but they do existed... I don't miss it... I'd say "Woah something original, not to mention elegant. Looking at them they probably run like doody down a hippo's bum. I bet they just use the pretty shell to make up for the crappy performance, like the lambourghini notebook by Acer or whoever. Not to mention the price, looks like they jack you to have a pretty silver laptop. And they don't run Windows...that means NO applications... lame. Pretty though." Actually that sounds like me in 2007... Hm...

Nov 18, 2009, 04:48 PM	#10
lewis82 macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2009	And if it never existed Windows Aero would not exist... And maybe Windows still wouldn't exist! After all Apple pionnered the GUI with the Mac (I know they weren't first, but they were the first to mass sell it), so if if didn't exist to give the example to MS, maybe we would still run command line OSes... __________________ MacBook Pro5,5 13", 2.53 GHz, 4GB DDR3 1066 MHz, 250 GB 5400RPM HDD, Geforce 9400M (10.6.2, 64-bit kernel) iPod Touch 2G 8Gb (iPhone OS 3.1.1) MRoogle rocks!

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Nov 18, 2009, 04:55 PM	#12
Chaszmyr macrumors 68040 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boulder, CO	I think if Apple never existed, the technology sector would have turned out very similar (except with slightly uglier products), except 2-3 years behind where it is. As such, Apple's current products would seem pretty advanced and I'd be impressed.

Nov 18, 2009, 05:29 PM	#13
chown33 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2009	"Good luck, Mr. Jobs. I'm not ready to get rid of my Xerox Contralto yet, but you might be able to take customers away from IBM's Mobile-OS/2k." On second thought, there never would have been an Apple II, no Visicalc, and IBM would not have seen the business potential of entering the personal computer market, because it would be considered just a bunch of geek toys.

Nov 18, 2009, 09:09 PM	#14
adder7712 macrumors regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my house in Malaysia	"They look shiny. I want one!" __________________ Collector's Edition MacBook Aluminium, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HDD, Mac OS X 10.6.2 , Windows XP Home SP3 (Boot Camp), Survived a spill.

Nov 18, 2009, 09:41 PM	#15
Mexbearpig macrumors 6502 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The bush behind your house...	I'd probably say for that price, good luck. But after using them I would say it's worth more but not that much. __________________ Alu. MacBook. 3G Shuffle An Apple© a day keeps the Genius away

Nov 19, 2009, 01:05 AM	#16
greygray macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2009	I don't want all these crap. I came here to look for that red or green round fruit with a stalk. __________________ Stop asking stupid questions. Use this. I'm at the salad bar.

Nov 19, 2009, 01:43 PM	#17
leomac08 macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Irvine, CA & San Salvador, El Salvador & Inglewood, CA	okay so if apple didn't exist till today 11/19/09..... i would say! "WAIT!!!! WTH!????!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO ARE THESE INTELLIGENT FREAKS?I LOVE WINDOWS 7 (EVEN THOUGH I CANNOT AFFORD $130-$500 dollars to buy their Operating System )!!!!!!!!!! and PC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who the hect are you guys?! I'm a PC, over 85% of the western world is PC.. I'm still running windows 98 on my compaq and multiple IBM's from work....get in line." __________________ 13' White MacBook, 2.1 GHz, 1G ipod touch 8GB, Play Station 3, 40GB, BlackBerry Curve, "GO UC IRVINE ANTEATERS", LOS LAKERS , coming soon 16GB + 3G iPad

Nov 19, 2009, 03:30 PM	#18
tristangage macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Stockport, Manchester, The United Kingdom	I would say: What's with all the 'i's?! Oh and what exactly is a 'Mac'? __________________ e09nVidWhite4GB320GB Search before you post: MRoogle

Nov 19, 2009, 03:59 PM	#19
mscriv macrumors 65816 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas	Your theory is flawed in it's view of the space time continuum. If Apple never existed then this website/forum would never have been created and you would not be able to even pose such a question in this medium to mac fans who would not even be mac fans and thus would not have the knowledge base from which to postulate a world without Apple products. Does this make sense? Of course it doesn't! I hate time travel stories.... my head hurts... __________________ I'm a professional counselor. If I deem our forum interaction to be professional in nature then I will bill you. Prompt payment is expected.

Nov 19, 2009, 06:33 PM	#21
MacNut macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CT	If Apple didn't exist someone else would have come along with innovation and maybe produced something better or maybe something worse. But to say that nothing would have happened because Apple was never founded is kind of silly. The real question is what if Woz and Jobs never met. Or what if Jobs never came back to Apple. __________________ Yankees 2010 How are people in Boston going to order the iPad and not get an iPod. "Honk if you love Jesus... Text while driving if you want to meet him"

Nov 19, 2009, 09:26 PM	#24
63dot macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wasilla?	Unless I am a complete idiot, I would see that this company, Apple Inc, has products better than what is out there. I would invest in them if I had some start up money. The key is for investors to see great new starts out there and invest early. A friend of mine ditched a pretty established company for a then-unknown startup which seems to be doing OK getting to the next step. If this all works, then I think he will be very, very rich. Many years ago, whether this has to do with profit or not, the janitor outside the Mac lab (we used Mac Classics), mentioned he was involved in this new thing called VA Linux. I listened to his "story", but I was skeptical, but he seemed to know what he was talking about. Not long after, I met someone who was starting a slew of companies for the growing internet phenomenon, so like a ton of business and computer science students, I dropped out of school. I was an MBA student in the late-90s, and I figured the long term gamble would be worth it getting in early on dot.com instead of finishing school. I should have finished school. But at least I didn't put my money into all those startups which at first made people money, on paper, at unrealistic rates. This inflation of supposed wealth did not match these companies' lack of revenue. Many accountants showed skepticism while a lot of geek types thought that it could hold itself up without sales. I knew people involved with Napster, Home, and WebVan and they thought they would be the next Microsoft and IBM. When it fell apart, it was a nearly complete annihilation of people's money. Last edited by 63dot : Nov 19, 2009 at 09:43 PM.

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eawmp1 macrumors 65816 Join Date: Feb 2008	I don't deal in hypotheticals! DEL (ERASE) [d:][MacRumors]ThisThread [/P]

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