Core Rot at Apple - Page 2

GermanyChris · Feb 20, 2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishman

In this case? Please explain how.

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Why does ZFS matter?

Black Berry and Palm would be examples.

Irishman · Feb 20, 2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanyChris

Black Berry and Palm would be examples.

They might be to someone who understood why.

Explain. As you would to a child.

GermanyChris · Feb 20, 2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishman

They might be to someone who understood why.

Explain. As you would to a child.

When you put all your eggs in one basket you fail..

Irishman · Feb 20, 2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanyChris

When you put all your eggs in one basket you fail..

I am sure you think you're making a point here, but I'm not seeing it.

You win! I lose!

Okay, now, come claim your internet prize!! You get to tell me why ZFS is important, in concrete specific terms.

And, there will be cake.

righteye · Feb 20, 2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chrono1081

What a poorly written article. The author I doubt has even ever used a Mac.

You are so wrong.

The sound quality is Bad but give it a listen just for a few minutes.

http://www.technightowl.com/podcasts...owl_130209.mp3

chrono1081 · Feb 20, 2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by righteye

You are so wrong.

The sound quality is Bad but give it a listen just for a few minutes.

http://www.technightowl.com/podcasts...owl_130209.mp3

No I'm really not. When an article says things like "Aperture is unusable on dual monitors" I ignore it.

I have dual monitors, I have Aperture. It works just fine. Just more "Its trendy to hate Apple so I'm going to do it" garbage.

thejadedmonkey · Feb 20, 2013, 06:06 PM

I can't really disagree with any of that. I long for Snow Leopard on a retina Macbook Pro.

Bernard SG · Feb 20, 2013, 09:47 PM

The core of Apple has never been about the so-called "pro users" to begin with. Jobs and Wozniak created the Apple I and Apple ][ with the idea of bringing computers to the masses; then Jobs perfected the idea when graphic UI was brought in with the original Mac.
The situation when Macs became the platform of choice for graphic and video professionals came later and its culmination coincided with the time when Apple struggled badly as a business.
The current picture of Apple's business is totally in line with that initial vision.

Irishman · Feb 21, 2013, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bernard sg

the core of apple has never been about the so-called "pro users" to begin with. Jobs and wozniak created the apple i and apple ][ with the idea of bringing computers to the masses; then jobs perfected the idea when graphic ui was brought in with the original mac.
The situation when macs became the platform of choice for graphic and video professionals came later and its culmination coincided with the time when apple struggled badly as a business.
The current picture of apple's business is totally in line with that initial vision.

+1

freejazz-man · Feb 21, 2013, 10:25 AM

wow - never heard more BS in my life.

Jobs perfected the idea when he brought the UI into the mac?

Is this macrumors or a house of worship?

It wasn't an idealistic endeavor, it was a business. It wasn't for the good of humanity, it was to make money. If it wasn't jobs it would have been someone else. The reality of computation dictated ever smaller more powerful computers. Jobs didn't bring computers into the home, science did. It was inevitable.

They called the company Apple Computers back then. That company that you are both referring to is dead. That spirit is dead. Jobs is dead and so is any ridiculous vision you retroactively ascribe to him.

righteye · Feb 21, 2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chrono1081

No I'm really not. When an article says things like "Aperture is unusable on dual monitors" I ignore it.

I have dual monitors, I have Aperture. It works just fine. Just more "Its trendy to hate Apple so I'm going to do it" garbage.

This guy is on our side, he tests and checks out all the things that we do not have time for, and informs of any issues that he finds this is a brief summary of what he does he is not Apple bashing for the sake of it he is an Apple fan himself.
For some users Apple's direction and and the software hiccups of late have left a slightly bitter taste
Pleased your Aperture setup works well for you, i found it a resource hog and and things like the loupe tool never seemed to work very well (this was quite a while ago) and enter LR and for me Aperture was just didn't cut it, (i wanted to like it as well)

astrorider · Feb 21, 2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by freejazz-man

wow - never heard more BS in my life.

Jobs perfected the idea when he brought the UI into the mac?

Is this macrumors or a house of worship?

It wasn't an idealistic endeavor, it was a business. It wasn't for the good of humanity, it was to make money. If it wasn't jobs it would have been someone else. The reality of computation dictated ever smaller more powerful computers. Jobs didn't bring computers into the home, science did. It was inevitable.

They called the company Apple Computers back then. That company that you are both referring to is dead. That spirit is dead. Jobs is dead and so is any ridiculous vision you retroactively ascribe to him.

When the drumbeat of "Apple is dead" gets the loudest, it's historically been a good time to buy their stock. And of course those beating the drum end up looking like fools.

freejazz-man · 05:12 PM

meh, I bought their stock when it was $12, so don't play that game with me. I made out quite well as I still own all of it.

I'm not lamenting the death of Apple, I'm lamenting the death of Apple Computers. I'm sure people at whatever company they will continue to call it will still make money.

Apple will continue to develop new products, and every year less of them will be computers. Every year less of what Apple provides is going to be relevant to my computational life. iPhones are great, but I really don't give a damn and I'd be fine with android. Any serious mobile market analyst knows Apple's marketshare isn't tenable for very long.

If you still think their stock is going to significantly appreciate in a way that it did when I first bought it (a stock split and a 3700% return - this is with today's price, not the historical high which they are not near for reasons that appear to be beyond your understanding), I've got a few bridges to sell you. So beat your drum, it doesn't actually make you seem prescient.

TheHateMachine · Feb 22, 2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by astrorider

When the drumbeat of "Apple is dead" gets the loudest, it's historically been a good time to buy their stock. And of course those beating the drum end up looking like fools.

And you are missing his point completley. Also... would you say that the "Apple is dead" drumbeat was the loudest over the past couple of months? Mainly on the street while the stock tumbled and lost nearly $300 USD the entire ride down? Was it a "Solid buy" during the entire decline?

jesseluke · Feb 23, 2013, 04:49 PM

I am moving from Apples BIGGEST fan to a VERY pissed off since Steve Jobs passed away. I have now filed over 22 complaints about features that USED to work, and now they don't.

When I call customer support, I end up spending hours of time, and get nowhere. They make me re-install, re-start, etc. etc., and it does not solve the problem.

I go to the apple store, and they are not very helpful any more either. They can't help with this, or that, or expect me to do all the re-installing that didn't work in the first place.

What happened to "It just works"?

Is plainly DOES NOT WORK!!!!!

The days of finding work around for my SE-30 should be long gone. This stuff is NOT rocket science anymore.

The NEW & IMPROVED Apple is only good for the shareholders, they have forgotten about US, the very people who made them.

I for one am sick of being Apple's toilet. STOP ******** ON ME !!!!!

smoledman · Feb 23, 2013, 04:54 PM

Facts.

Microsoft has the best development IDE - Visual Studio, the best programming language - C#

but...

Apple has the best API with Core Libraries. You have to bite the bullet of XCode/Objective-C to get at it.

Feb 20, 2013, 06:06 PM	#32
thejadedmonkey macrumors 604 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pa	I can't really disagree with any of that. I long for Snow Leopard on a retina Macbook Pro. __________________ MacBook Air • 17" MacBook Pro • iPod Nano • Apple TV Custom Windows 7 Desktop • Surface RT • WP7 "Good judgment comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgment." - Mulla Nasrudin
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Feb 20, 2013, 09:47 PM	#33
Bernard SG macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jul 2010	The core of Apple has never been about the so-called "pro users" to begin with. Jobs and Wozniak created the Apple I and Apple ][ with the idea of bringing computers to the masses; then Jobs perfected the idea when graphic UI was brought in with the original Mac. The situation when Macs became the platform of choice for graphic and video professionals came later and its culmination coincided with the time when Apple struggled badly as a business. The current picture of Apple's business is totally in line with that initial vision. __________________ 21" 2008 iMac, 13" MBP, 32Gb iPod Touch 4, 2002 eMac, iPod Touch 2 8GB, iPod Nano 1st gen, iPad 3 white 32 GB 3G, iPhone 5 16 GB. Uhmm... Fanboi!
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Feb 21, 2013, 05:06 PM	#38
freejazz-man macrumors regular Join Date: May 2010	meh, I bought their stock when it was $12, so don't play that game with me. I made out quite well as I still own all of it. I'm not lamenting the death of Apple, I'm lamenting the death of Apple Computers. I'm sure people at whatever company they will continue to call it will still make money. Apple will continue to develop new products, and every year less of them will be computers. Every year less of what Apple provides is going to be relevant to my computational life. iPhones are great, but I really don't give a damn and I'd be fine with android. Any serious mobile market analyst knows Apple's marketshare isn't tenable for very long. If you still think their stock is going to significantly appreciate in a way that it did when I first bought it (a stock split and a 3700% return - this is with today's price, not the historical high which they are not near for reasons that appear to be beyond your understanding), I've got a few bridges to sell you. So beat your drum, it doesn't actually make you seem prescient. Last edited by freejazz-man; Feb 21, 2013 at 05:12 PM.
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Feb 21, 2013, 10:25 AM	#35
freejazz-man macrumors regular Join Date: May 2010	wow - never heard more BS in my life. Jobs perfected the idea when he brought the UI into the mac? Is this macrumors or a house of worship? It wasn't an idealistic endeavor, it was a business. It wasn't for the good of humanity, it was to make money. If it wasn't jobs it would have been someone else. The reality of computation dictated ever smaller more powerful computers. Jobs didn't bring computers into the home, science did. It was inevitable. They called the company Apple Computers back then. That company that you are both referring to is dead. That spirit is dead. Jobs is dead and so is any ridiculous vision you retroactively ascribe to him.
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Feb 23, 2013, 04:49 PM	#40
jesseluke macrumors newbie Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The Berkshires of Western MAss	I am moving from Apples BIGGEST fan to a VERY pissed off since Steve Jobs passed away. I have now filed over 22 complaints about features that USED to work, and now they don't. When I call customer support, I end up spending hours of time, and get nowhere. They make me re-install, re-start, etc. etc., and it does not solve the problem. I go to the apple store, and they are not very helpful any more either. They can't help with this, or that, or expect me to do all the re-installing that didn't work in the first place. What happened to "It just works"? Is plainly DOES NOT WORK!!!!! The days of finding work around for my SE-30 should be long gone. This stuff is NOT rocket science anymore. The NEW & IMPROVED Apple is only good for the shareholders, they have forgotten about US, the very people who made them. I for one am sick of being Apple's toilet. STOP ******** ON ME !!!!!
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Feb 23, 2013, 04:54 PM	#41
smoledman macrumors 65816 Join Date: Oct 2011	Facts. Microsoft has the best development IDE - Visual Studio, the best programming language - C# but... Apple has the best API with Core Libraries. You have to bite the bullet of XCode/Objective-C to get at it.
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