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Old Aug 18, 2013, 11:44 AM   #51
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Yeah, if a student wants to vote, they should have to skip class, spend $500 bucks on a plane ticket, and travel halfway across the country back to their "hometown" just to vote. Do you realize how asinine that suggestion is?
Absentee ballots...

Not terribly hard and is already done in states
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/groups/...dents_38e82979

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Old Aug 18, 2013, 11:45 AM   #52
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If your parents claim you on taxes you should be voting in your home state.


How does this make any sense?

Edit: Here are the guidelines for being a resident of California, the requirement for registering to vote ...

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At School. Students can establish residency in California if they have a present intention to remain at their California school address for the time being, and they intend to make it their principal home.[5] Any other interpretation of the residency laws is unconstitutional. California law provides for voter registration services on college campuses. California courts and the Attorney General have also made clear that if you move residences each school year and you cannot establish a new voting residency in time to register to vote (you do not have housing yet, for instance), you can vote at your previous school–year address.[6] If your parents are from California, the Secretary of State has also clarified that students may choose between their school addresses and their parents’ homes when deciding where to register to vote.[7]

At Home. Students who lived in California before moving elsewhere to attend school, and who wish to establish or keep their California voting residency (i.e., at their parents’ address), should have no problem doing so unless they have already registered to vote in another state. California allows students to keep their voting residency even if they move out of the district to attend school, and the only way you might lose this residency is by establishing residency in a new state. While registering to vote in another state is not automatically considered abandonment of residency in California, some judges or officials might view it as such. If you have established voting residency in another state and are moving back to California with the intent to reside there, you will have to follow the normal registration procedures to re-register in California.

Challenges to Residency. As a student, you have the right to cast a ballot as a resident of California regardless of whether you pay in-state or out-of-state tuition. Any challenge made solely on the basis of your student or tuition status is invalid. If your county elections official refuses to register you on the basis of your residency, you can challenge the refusal in court.[8] If another voter thinks that you are not a resident, he or she can also file an action in court to cancel your registration.[9]

At the polls, your eligibility to vote based on residency can only be challenged by a member of the precinct board—i.e., an official poll-worker.[10] You will then be asked under oath whether you are a resident. If you answer “yes,” without qualifying your answer, you can vote regularly.[11] If you refuse to answer the question, then you will not be allowed to vote.[12]

http://www.brennancenter.org/analysi...ide-california

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... we have illegals voting in elections ...
Source please.


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... why not students who haven't learned to wipe their own ass yet.


Depends on the student and their skills at ass wiping.


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Old Aug 18, 2013, 12:05 PM   #53
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Absentee ballots...

Not terribly hard and is already done in states
http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/groups/...dents_38e82979

Do you like to jump to exaggerated stances?
Do you like to not read the whole thread? This post below was the whole reason I even replied.

I voted by absentee ballot twice during college. But some people don't like it/don't trust it/some states have weird regulations regarding it.

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50 states equals 50 differ guidelines.

Some states like Michigan require you vote in person if you registered by mail. Given the age demographic of college students, for many it will be the first time registering. Massachusetts also require student to be registered first, with the exception of inmates and military.

Also many just don't trust absentee voting. If the envolope looks tampered with, opened, resealed, and etc. They have the discretion to disregard it. And with the way the USPS operates, I sure wouldn't trust it if I had the option of going to the booth instead.
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Old Aug 18, 2013, 02:59 PM   #54
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SSSOOOO funny watching the liberals get their panties in a bunch over this.
Um, it's Mr. Priebus and the RNC that have the too-tight underwear. The left has said little about this, much less getting upset. Maybe the right-wing blogosphere is reporting that liberals are going nuts about this, but like everything else they report, that doesn't mean it's happening.

From the general public's standpoint this is a win. Two fewer channels carrying loopy conservative rantings. You know what NBC will do? They'll counterprogram with a similar show about loopy old people, Off Their Rockers. And they'll get better ratings, to boot.

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Then again, they don't stand for anything otherwise they would be marching on CNN/NBC for supporting a political candidate outside of campaign finance laws...
Huh?
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Old Aug 18, 2013, 03:13 PM   #55
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Huh?
Do you know what the Citizens United Vs. FEC case was about?

Well Citizens United was to run commercials for their film Hillary: The Movie. The FEC said that was outside the scope of campaign finance law and stopped them. Citizens United sued and won via the Supreme Court ruling.

So now you have CNN/NBC using the Supreme Court ruling to push a political candidate outside the scope of previous campaign finance law.

Citizens United was literally about running commercials for something called Hillary: The Movie

So you have progressives get their panties in a bunch over that ruling yet when the ruling is used to favor their own political candidates it is ok.

Koch brothers uses Citizens United to support their candidate - progressives think there needs to be more campaign finance reform.

CNN/NBC uses Citizens United to support Clinton - progressives think that is a-ok.

On a side note, the GOP should boycott CNN not for trying to run a movie on H.Clinton but for allowing that **** to interject her own political ideology into a presidential debate.
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You miss the point.

What candidate?

What campaign is going on right now?
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Old Aug 18, 2013, 06:05 PM   #57
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CNN/NBC uses Citizens United to support Clinton - progressives think that is a-ok.
How do you know what progressive think regarding that matter?

Have you seen a poll?

Or are you simply assuming that progressive agree with anything that in you opinion slants left?

Newsflash: just because you assume progressives approve of something, doesn't make it true outside of your own mind.
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 09:55 AM   #58
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Not like it matters anyways, we have illegals voting in elections
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 10:06 AM   #59
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I'm guilty of not reading all 3 pages of this thread, but if it has not been mentioned, it was reported that the RNC can't ban a network from a debate. All they can do is urge GOP candidates not to participate in a such a debate. So if CNN holds a debate, the RNC hope is that GOP candidates will volunteer not to participate. I wonder if that will happen?
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I'm guilty of not reading all 3 pages of this thread, but if it has not been mentioned, it was reported that the RNC can't ban a network from a debate. All they can do is urge GOP candidates not to participate in a such a debate. So if CNN holds a debate, the RNC hope is that GOP candidates will volunteer not to participate. I wonder if that will happen?
It depends if the GOP primary field includes the current crop of crazies or if a moderate manages to make their way in.
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Old Aug 19, 2013, 01:11 PM   #61
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I'm guilty of not reading all 3 pages of this thread, but if it has not been mentioned, it was reported that the RNC can't ban a network from a debate. All they can do is urge GOP candidates not to participate in a such a debate. So if CNN holds a debate, the RNC hope is that GOP candidates will volunteer not to participate. I wonder if that will happen?

They will turn to Fox News, request that they air every Ronald Reagan movie to exist, as well as possibly a documentary on Marco Rubio's rise from nothing, and should they get the same treatment they are dishing out right now, claim 'freedom of the press'.

In short, if they can dish it out, why aren't they mature enough to take it? Someone in the party has to put on their big boy pants.. So far, Christie seems to be the only one who has done so in recent times, especially regarding Sandy.

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Old Aug 19, 2013, 01:31 PM   #62
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They will turn to Fox News, request that they air every Ronald Reagan movie to exist, as well as possibly a documentary on Marco Rubio's rise from nothing, and should they get the same treatment they are dishing out right now, claim 'freedom of the press'.

In short, if they can dish it out, why aren't they mature enough to take it? Someone in the party has to put on their big boy pants.. So far, Christie seems to be the only one who has done so in recent times, especially regarding Sandy.

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Yeah, but someone has to host a debate that everyone will show up for. Maybe it will be hard to have a National debate. As if I want to see Limbaugh as a moderator, yech.

And here we are 3 years before the next election and they are all ready at it. There should be limits established as for when this BS can start up.
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request that they air every Ronald Reagan movie to exist
Man, I've been waiting to see "Bedtime for Bonzo" for such a long time!
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proof that you didn't read a single link I posted.

Again, from the first link, referenced again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_S...tial_elections

By 1968, every state in the South with the exception of Texas and West Virginia either voted for a segregationist who separated from the conservative party, or voted for Nixon, a Republican. By 1972, every state in the South voted Republican.
...in the presidential election. As you well know, politics is local and in North Carolina was largely democratic.


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For what it's worth, I grew up in that same South you talk about as well. While born and raised in Nebraska, I spent 6 months out of every year in rural southeastern Oklahoma/rural northeastern Texas.
...neither of which is really in "The South."



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Jesse Helms?

The same Jesse Helms who was opposed to integration, The Civil Rights Act, and Voting Rights Act?

The same Jesse Helms who attempted a 16-day filibuster to stop the Senate from voting to make MLK Jr. day a federal holiday?

The Same Jesse Helms who was nicknamed 'Senator No' for opposing, among many things, civil rights, disability rights, feminism, gay rights, affirmative action, and abortion? And you call him a 'supporter of Black businesses'?
Yes. I do because he was (considerably more so than the Democrats). And believe it or not he got (a few) black votes because of it. That's not altogether inconsistent with support of segregation when you think about it. Like I said earlier politics down in NC was not as straightforward as you would believe from the historical record that you can find in Wikipedia.


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That is either some serious disillusionment, or some misconstruing of history because the facts don't agree with you. I'm wagering on both.
...or it could just be that you don't really know anything about it because you didn't grow up in North Carolina.

And if you'd like to wager, I'd be happy to take your money via Paypal.


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Which -- to me at least -- is a lot like telling a man who's just crawled out of the Gobi desert on hands and knees that he cannot have a peanut butter sandwich.
Awesome comparison you made there, lol. But I definitely share your opinion regarding this.
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As this is not a thread on illegal immigration I will not be derailing, you can check one of the previous threads on illegals voting though, I posted a link proving that illegals are on the voting registration roles as well as being registered for jury duty. I believe the consensus at that time is that it wasn't enough to make a difference.
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They will turn to Fox News, request that they air every Ronald Reagan movie to exist,

LMAO ...... Regan is their God.
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As this is not a thread on illegal immigration I will not be derailing, you can check one of the previous threads on illegals voting though, I posted a link proving that illegals are on the voting registration roles as well as being registered for jury duty. I believe the consensus at that time is that it wasn't enough to make a difference.
Anyone interested in reading it can find the discussion here: Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Threatens To Disenfranchise Nearly 10 Percent Of Voters

ZA, I encourage you to start a thread on this topic.

Present your best evidence.

Please.
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Awesome comparison you made there, lol. But I definitely share your opinion regarding this.
I have to credit author Harlan Ellison. I read that line in one of his books, and I liked it enough that I've never forgotten it.
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...in the presidential election. As you well know, politics is local and in North Carolina was largely democratic.
Great Southern Strategy seems to contradict your statement. Otherwise, you wouldn't have the Republicans there attempting voter disenfranchisement with the Voter ID controversy there.

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...neither of which is really in "The South."
Let's see..

Below the Mason Dixon Line... check.

Fought alongside the Confederacy during the Civil War... check.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes

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The Five Tribes were divided in politics during the American Civil War. The Choctaw and Chickasaw fought predominantly on the Confederate side. The Creek and Seminole supported the Union, while the Cherokee fought a civil war within their own nation between the majority Confederates and the minority, pro-Union men. As an element in Reconstruction after the Civil War, new Reconstruction Treaties were signed with tribes that had previously signed treaties with the Confederate States of America.
Segregation... check.

Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture, subj. Segregation

Definitely the South, contrary to your belief.

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...or it could just be that you don't really know anything about it because you didn't grow up in North Carolina.
Nor do you know anything about the South and what happened in Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas, because you didn't grow up there. So don't make general assumptions about the whole area because you only lived in one section of it.

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Game on.

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Yeah, but someone has to host a debate that everyone will show up for. Maybe it will be hard to have a National debate. As if I want to see Limbaugh as a moderator, yech.

And here we are 3 years before the next election and they are all ready at it. There should be limits established as for when this BS can start up.
60 day's that seems reasonable if you cannot get your message out in this interconnected world in 60 days you needn't be a politician.
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60 day's that seems reasonable if you cannot get your message out in this interconnected world in 60 days you needn't be a politician.
I don't know if it's law in the U.K, but I thought I remember reading something about how televised election promotions are not allowed to start until several months before an election?
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This might just be the most stupid and uninformed thing I've read here for months. Apart from the similarities in their genitalia, how exactly are the two alike?
Hmm. I think I like Palin's genitalia better.
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