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Old Feb 26, 2015, 06:41 PM   #26
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I'm sorry this happened. I guess my only advice can be to call the police, don't leave your macbook here and there, and turn on find my mac!
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 08:29 PM   #27
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Apple has unfortunately made it very easy to reset the password. All you do is command-r boot to recovery then in the Utilities menu select Terminal, then type "resetpassword" and enter and follow the prompts. Just like that I am in your account.

If you have sensitive data you want to protect, you really should enable FileVault encryption on the drive. That is very secure.
This is indeed unfortunate.

If it's so easy to reset passwords then I wonder why Apple bothers with passwords at all.

I just had a password on my MBA's user account because I figured it's inconvenient enough for somebody to take the SSD out and read the contents with another machine but I guess I will be turning on FileVault.
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 10:06 PM   #28
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Apple is giving us a false sense of security. Replacing lost/stolen products increases sales.
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 11:56 PM   #29
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Depending on what state you live in, you may have other ways to retaliate. In my state we can shoot people stealing our property. I think I'd throw another backpack in my back seat one night, stake out the vehicle and when they come to steal your stuff, turn them over to the police with a few extra bullet holes. Just let them get away from your car first, you wouldn't want any buckshot to mess up the bodywork.
I love Americans, but that was probably the most stereotypical American thing ever said. Well done.
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Old Feb 26, 2015, 11:57 PM   #30
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Another thing you could have done, was that if you were near the house you thought had your mac, you should have set it to ping loudly, if the police had heard the pinging noise they would have been able to access the property to retrieve the article and you would have had a case.

Like others have said don't ever leave valuables in the car. Ever.

Good luck next time.

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Old Feb 27, 2015, 02:01 AM   #31
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Bypassing a user password is simple but only if they have not set an efi password. If you didn't then a simple command line gets rid of your password. Luckily keychain won't play ball without your password but it will allow a fresh OS X install to be performed.
I have to say, I'm stunned. I would have bet you were mistaken, but yep, apparently it's really easy to do. I've always known it's fairly easy to access the account data in other ways (e.g. removing the drive or booting up from an external drive, etc.), but this is the kind of thing someone could do in a few minutes just sitting down at the computer with no tools or other devices. Really unbelievable. I still feel like I'm missing something.

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This is extremely helpful. I have FileVault2 turned on but had never focused on the EFI password. I just set a password. Thank you.
To be clear, if you're using FileVault, you're safe. Here's a pretty good article on how it all works with FileVault and EFI. cnet article link.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 02:21 AM   #32
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Bypassing a user password is simple but only if they have not set an efi password. If you didn't then a simple command line gets rid of your password. Luckily keychain won't play ball without your password but it will allow a fresh OS X install to be performed.
Newbie here so forgive me for what might be some stupid questions but what is an efi password? And are you telling me that the login password I have set is pretty much breakable with a simple command line, meaning someone who does this can access my data? I was under the impression that you can access the computer, but you would have to erase everything first...

And about FileVault, will it slow down my computer? What's the difference between that and the regular password protection that I have set up now?
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 02:27 AM   #33
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Newbie here so forgive me for what might be some stupid questions but what is an efi password? And are you telling me that the login password I have set is pretty much breakable with a simple command line, meaning someone who does this can access my data? I was under the impression that you can access the computer, but you would have to erase everything first...

And about FileVault, will it slow down my computer? What's the difference between that and the regular password protection that I have set up now?
Yes, FileVault will slow down your computer somewhat. Disk reads and writes anyway. Usually not by an amount that people notice.

It keeps data on your disk encrypted, so if somebody steals your computer they will have no way to access your data, even if they remove the drive and try to read it with a different computer.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 09:21 AM   #34
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I have to say, I'm stunned. I would have bet you were mistaken, but yep, apparently it's really easy to do. I've always known it's fairly easy to access the account data in other ways (e.g. removing the drive or booting up from an external drive, etc.), but this is the kind of thing someone could do in a few minutes just sitting down at the computer with no tools or other devices. Really unbelievable. I still feel like I'm missing something.
I guess what you're missing is an EFI password!

The other good tip I've learned is to actually enable Guest Mode with no password so the thief can actually use your stolen laptop to connect to the internet to facilitate you locating it via Find My Mac.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 12:14 PM   #35
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I guess what you're missing is an EFI password!

The other good tip I've learned is to actually enable Guest Mode with no password so the thief can actually use your stolen laptop to connect to the internet to facilitate you locating it via Find My Mac.
I was so focused on the EFI password that I missed that; done.

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Yes, FileVault will slow down your computer somewhat. Disk reads and writes anyway. Usually not by an amount that people notice.

It keeps data on your disk encrypted, so if somebody steals your computer they will have no way to access your data, even if they remove the drive and try to read it with a different computer.
I haven't noticed any difference and I've had FileValue on and off a few times. I'm not saying it's not there, just that on my rMBP I haven't noticed the difference.

To me, it's all about how the computer is used. I have FileVault (and now an EFI password) set on my laptop. It gets carried around all week long and gets left unattended for long periods in my office. My Mini, at home, doesn't have either turned on.
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Old Feb 27, 2015, 02:27 PM   #36
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Do you mean turn ON FileVault2? Not playing "gotcha," just wanting to be ultra-clear.
Yes... good catch. I changed my post to indicate ON.

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Old Feb 27, 2015, 05:15 PM   #37
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Yes... good catch. I changed my post to indicate ON.

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Thanks - was truly not busting your chops or playing gotcha.
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Old Feb 28, 2015, 08:01 AM   #38
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Op honestly I don't feel sorry for you as you are not a nice person. You want to post a message on someone's house accusing them of stealing your laptop, and your evidence is the lights were on at night. Ridiculous.
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Old Feb 28, 2015, 01:20 PM   #39
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Op honestly I don't feel sorry for you as you are not a nice person. You want to post a message on someone's house accusing them of stealing your laptop, and your evidence is the lights were on at night. Ridiculous.
Where are you reading that? The only post I see saying any such thing is the guy wanting to post a note on all the houses in the area giving the thief an opportunity to return the laptop before further police action. That seems extremely nice to me.
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Old Feb 28, 2015, 03:01 PM   #40
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Depending on what state you live in, you may have other ways to retaliate. In my state we can shoot people stealing our property. I think I'd throw another backpack in my back seat one night, stake out the vehicle and when they come to steal your stuff, turn them over to the police with a few extra bullet holes. Just let them get away from your car first, you wouldn't want any buckshot to mess up the bodywork.

If you live in the United states, you are dead wrong. You can NEVER use lethal force to protect property. You can only use it to protect another person or yourself. Period.

If your state has strong second amendment laws and a solid iteration of the castle doctrine, you may be able to use lethal force IF YOU ARE IN YOUR HOME/CAR/BUSINESS. But the way you stated it is misleading. A person can never set up a "spring-gun" setup or any booby trap to protect your property. FURTHERMORE, you can never go seek retaliation after the theft/larceny/robbery is over... Especially if we are talking a few days lapse.

Check your local laws and speak with any attorney friends you may have for further clarification on what is permitted in your state. I am only posting this because I really don't want someone to rely on the info some "internet tough guy" posted.
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First if you remotely wipe the info off the machine, does that make the find my laptop feature turn off?

also you should have file vault on. i do not believe it has anything to do with performance, perhaps with some permissions issues if there's a lot of data to encrypt. it takes awhile for it to load on earlier machines, but on my rMBP, it was less than ever for the wait.

apple will be able to contact you if the laptop surfaces. instead of wipe you should at the very least lock. you can also play sounds, and messages to the device, and if the officer hears that, its reasonable cause.

if you have the find my laptop on and it gives the location and you show that to the officer, that is reasonable cause for a search. without a warrant, they can knock and interrogate. its not like it hasn't been done before. if there's reason to suspect stolen property they can pursue the issue if they so choose.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35 AM   #42
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This is indeed unfortunate.

If it's so easy to reset passwords then I wonder why Apple bothers with passwords at all.

I just had a password on my MBA's user account because I figured it's inconvenient enough for somebody to take the SSD out and read the contents with another machine but I guess I will be turning on FileVault.
The user password is mainly there so that it prevents unauthorised remote access to your computer. It is also there to give you administrator access to your system (e.g removing system components or installing new software in some cases, changing file system privileges, etc.)

The idea is that if you have physical access to your computer, you can get in very easily, but remote login is more difficult.

I personally prefer this, as I mainly use my desktop Macs - if I ever forget my password, or a technician needs to access my computer the password can be reset very easily.

On a laptop, an EFI password and FileVault is a reasonable precaution, as they can be stolen or lost more easily.
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