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Old Oct 10, 2013, 01:10 PM   #26
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As long as people espouse their rights, but forget about their responsibilities, we will continue our long decline as a civilized country.
I think it's that America does not teach responsibility to children, but yes, well put.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 01:16 PM   #27
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As the title states, a third Colorado is facing a possible recall over gun control votes if enough signatures are collected.


Reuters - Third Colorado lawmaker faces possible recall for gun control votes


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At what point do our friends who think it's still 1885 gain some sanity and join us in 2013 and realize that this needs to stop because real people are dying in the modern day due to gun violence? It seems like we're hearing of some new shooting every week, when do these guys grow up and realize that guns are indeed a problem?
They won't. Like many things, we'll have to wait for the old herd to die out. Like the saying goes "...pry it from my cold, dead hands."
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 06:23 PM   #28
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If the voters of Colorado feel that they are not being represented then it is NEVER foolish to remove said person from the office they were voted into BY THE PEOPLE.




Fine, let the state do that, but if the voters feel that this was not in there best interest then they have every right to recall the people they voted into office.


That's nice, I do not agree with such a bill but that is only my opinion.


Don't care how/when/if they knew they were entering illegally. Go through the proper channels and become a leagal citizen. Then they can have access to all the "wonderful things" other Americans do.


Yes, there parents knew what they were doing, or at least knew it was wrong. It is there own fault for putting their child in that position in the first place


Sure, but I personally want to make that choice. They should not be using state funds to help an illegal alien through school and the like. If there is a privately funded tuition that i have the ability to opt into than great, I will do it that way if I so feel the need.



But if your state is 75% rural and this happens you are only hurting the majority of your voters.


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You realize you sounds like a 12 year old when you spout words like "*******tarians" and "CONservatives" right? Is it so hard to just call the different parties by what they are and not try to make it derogatory? I may have missed it but I don't see "Dumbocrat" being used at all (or nearly as much) as you appear to use the above terms.


These "illegals" that you don't like so much know the difference between there/their/they're.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 08:31 PM   #29
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I think it's only extremist groups like Tea Party and *******tarians who are really angry enough to manage a recall. Run of the mill Republicans are lemmings because they see someone with a "D" next to their name on a ballot.
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Why all this effort over a single issue? It's no wonder why nothing ever gets done in government, it's CONservatives that raise single issues like this and recall elected officials from doing their jobs.
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These "illegals" that you don't like so much know the difference between there/their/they're.
Yeah, you are a fine one to be complaining about someone else's grammar.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 02:27 AM   #30
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Yeah, you are a fine one to be complaining about someone else's grammar.

You can thank that crazy gun nut police chief Mark Kessler for the term "*******". I'm just using it properly.

As for "CONservatives", it's spelled correctly.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 02:52 AM   #31
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You can thank that crazy gun nut police chief Mark Kessler for the term "*******". I'm just using it properly.

As for "CONservatives", it's spelled correctly.
Still lame though.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 06:57 AM   #32
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You can thank that crazy gun nut police chief Mark Kessler for the term "*******". I'm just using it properly.

As for "CONservatives", it's spelled correctly.
What Eraserhead said
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 11:00 AM   #34
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And who cares if it does? I'm sick of subsidizing the lifestyle of people who chose to live in the middle of nowhere.
That's rich, you sir are a hypocrite!
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 11:07 AM   #35
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Why don't voters get as upset over things like the NSA spying the way they do with machine guns.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 11:12 AM   #36
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The more I read about this, I believe that it is more of a Urban vs Rural clash of cultures.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 11:43 AM   #37
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The more I read about this, I believe that it is more of a Urban vs Rural clash of cultures.
Red state, blue state. Urban, rural. Pretty much the same when you look at a political map. That has what has always bothered me more than anything about the Tea Party. They are mostly red state people railing against government spending and handouts and socialism yet their states are subsidized by the blue states and are on the receiving end of more than their share of said government money.

Of course, the "movement" has been sold to them as takers vs makers yet they don't realize they are primarily takers.

For example, I'm a New Yorker. We get 72 cents in federal funds for every $1 we send to Washington. Mississippi get $2.47 per $1 sent; Alabama $2.03


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Old Oct 11, 2013, 12:01 PM   #38
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Red state, blue state. Urban, rural. Pretty much the same when you look at a political map. That has what has always bothered me more than anything about the Tea Party. They are mostly red state people railing against government spending and handouts and socialism yet their states are subsidized by the blue states and are on the receiving end of more than their share of said government money.

Of course, the "movement" has been sold to them as takers vs makers yet they don't realize they are primarily takers.

For example, I'm a New Yorker. We get 72 cents in federal funds for every $1 we send to Washington. Mississippi get $2.47 per $1 sent; Alabama $2.03


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps
I was more trying to focus on the firearms issue, than about tax dollars, of which I know nothing about.

I was 9 weeks in USA/Canada this summer driving from Chicago to Seattle, via Vancouver. The stark contrast between the rural and urban is more pronounced in the US, than here in western Europe. For people who have never travelled to that part of the US, it's very difficult to explain, that you can be miles from anywhere or anyone. Firearms are seen as a tool in these circumstances.

That's all I was trying to post
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That's rich, you sir are a hypocrite!
Care to explain how?
  • I don't mind subsidizing health insurance for those less fortunate, they didn't CHOOSE to get sick.
  • I don't mind subsidizing welfare/unemployment for the poor/downtrodden, they didn't CHOOSE to be poor/downtrodden.
However, one CHOOSES to live a zillion miles from infrastructure. Why do we all have to pay for their freely-chosen lifestyle?
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And yet only gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Go figure.
The word is "arms" and in the context of a "well-regulated militia". It would have been nice if the Founding Fathers had been more clear. Personally, I think I should be able to own small nuclear devices so I can protect my property and life.
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And yet only gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Go figure.
It's sad when this is your only argument.
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Red state, blue state. Urban, rural. Pretty much the same when you look at a political map. That has what has always bothered me more than anything about the Tea Party. They are mostly red state people railing against government spending and handouts and socialism yet their states are subsidized by the blue states and are on the receiving end of more than their share of said government money.

Of course, the "movement" has been sold to them as takers vs makers yet they don't realize they are primarily takers.

For example, I'm a New Yorker. We get 72 cents in federal funds for every $1 we send to Washington. Mississippi get $2.47 per $1 sent; Alabama $2.03…
This seems contradictory to me. I'm curious what bothers you exactly.

Looking just at the Tea Partiers from states receiving more in federal spending then they pay...why do you insist it's because they "don't realize" their states receive more? Could they just be less motivated by selfish concerns and be interested in the well being of the country and its future? I mean, surely at least the Tea Partier's legislators are bright enough to realize that reigning in spending may disproportionately affect their states, right?

Wouldn't it be self-serving if they were instead lobbying for increased spending while their states received a disproportionately high proportion?

And if self interest is the motivation you seek, and expect them to seek, why be "bothered"? You should be happy they're advocating reduced spending, since your state receives less than it contributes.

Just curious what the argument really is here.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 02:58 PM   #43
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The more I read about this, I believe that it is more of a Urban vs Rural clash of cultures.
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Red state, blue state. Urban, rural. Pretty much the same when you look at a political map. That has what has always bothered me more than anything about the Tea Party. They are mostly red state people railing against government spending and handouts and socialism yet their states are subsidized by the blue states and are on the receiving end of more than their share of said government money.

Of course, the "movement" has been sold to them as takers vs makers yet they don't realize they are primarily takers.

For example, I'm a New Yorker. We get 72 cents in federal funds for every $1 we send to Washington. Mississippi get $2.47 per $1 sent; Alabama $2.03


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps


Thom Hartmann recently discussed this topic on his daily radio show actually. That is, the "powers that be" have been fueling the fire in the class warfare that's currently going on in our country. They use astroturf movements like the Tea Party to sucker stupid people into voting against their self-interest. Further, the shutdown is a tool that's being used to dismantle programs that would otherwise benefit the very people who claim to hate it.
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It's not just about guns. That was just the last straw. There were other bills passed that people took issue with and unlike most states where people just sit and take it up the ass Colorado actually did something about it. Congress is voted in by the people to represent the people and as soon as you stop doing that it is time to go. I don't care if you're a democrat, republican, liberal or conservative. And thankfully that's what happened.

Frankly both sides can go screw themselves at this point. Neither represents us.
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