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Old Apr 15, 2013, 02:42 AM   #201
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You CHOSE to sign a two year contract with your carrier - not with Apple - so they would finance your phone purchase.

You cold have purchased a full price phone with no contract.
Ummm, no I didn't, despite your assumption. I haven't had a subsidised contract phone since 2006. It's not specifically about me or you, believe it or not. The majority of people may not have the funds to buy the phone up front, or it may not be the common model in a particular market due to carrier's anti-competive stance on phone unlocking, or because carriers choose not to offer reasonable SIM-only deals, which make buying the phone up front a bit pointless, or because the phone manufacturer decides they don't want to sell unlocked phones due to commercial terms with carriers. There are many valid reasons why many millions of people worldwide sign contracts every year. Perhaps some of them could have chosen not to, but many probably could not.

Anyway none of that is particularly on topic, except for its original point which was that comparing a phone, which the vast majority of people sign a contract for, with general use of bricks and mortar stores, is patently ridiculous.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 06:24 AM   #202
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Perhaps AppGratis isn't a viable business on other platforms?[COLOR="#808080"]
How is that Apple's problem?
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 08:29 AM   #203
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How is that Apple's problem?
Who said it was Apple's problem?
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 11:30 AM   #204
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Well since it's their own app store they have the right to publish whatever they want such as pedophilia content and extreme violence? What a lovely argument. They have the right to manage it as they see fit unless they are breaking a law. And fair competition laws are very important, and often end up having those who do not respect them pay up hefty fines for it. Just ask microsoft who decided to run their operating system as they saw fit, albeit breaking a few monopoly laws along the way.

Another example is apple pulling that click volume for a photo app (if I remember correctly) only to have it as their own "feature" later on. If that's not downright unjust I don't know what is.
Just wow. Pedophilia and extreme violence? Way to devalue any persuasiveness of your argument with over the top rhetoric. As for your argument, it's complete bunk.

1. AppGratis' app was violating the TOS with Apple. Just because Apple didn't immediately drop the banhammer in no way implies AppGratis was in compliance.

2. I wish people would stop bringing Microsoft into the fray as an example. It's not the same thing; not even remotely. Microsoft got into trouble for including severe financial punishment for not abiding their wishes regarding bundling IE. Apple just got around to removing an app that violated their TOS. Not the same

3. Pedophilia and extreme violence? Is this seriously what you bring to the discussion? Yahoo has a comment section eagerly awaiting your arrival.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 12:27 PM   #205
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This thread is full of coffee spill traps and you're one of them.

Congratulations, you missed the key aspects of international business operations and antitrust laws.

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Thanks for en lighting me for what I am...France is one of the socialite ***** hole for any corporation to run the business.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 01:36 PM   #206
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Omg Europe.

Do those French fries even understand why apple pulled the app? Clearly they do not of these socialist jokers in France would not have said anything.

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Haha

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Yes. This is why France is the leader for technology in the world.

Hopefully apple gets France to surrender.

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Apple did not make new rules to ban them. They enforced existing rules. Choosing to raise all that mine and not having any lawyers read the contract with apple seems dumb.

The idea that a retail store can't choose what products they sell is insane.

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Yeah dummy who never read his contract with apple. His employees and customers only have him to blame. The app was removed for violation of rules that have always been there

He either did not know that, which means he is incompetent or he did know it and took a risk and lost.

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Any business owner worth a nickle knows diversification is important. You may find yourself with your eggs in one basket but you better be hunting for more baskets as quickly as possible. There are a myriad of reasons why app gratis could have had issues with apples platform. They needed to diversify with more apps and/or platforms.

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Most of us want smaller and less expensive devices. Most of us will never have a need for ifixit or anything they do. Your comparison is silly.

People were against ifixit because they did not want apple sacrificing the build of their products just to make some third party company most of their customers never heard of happy. I suspect most feel the same today

Your post is entirely illogical.

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In this case the developer was in violation from day 1.
You really are a dick
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 01:49 PM   #207
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In a free market Apple should be allowed to decide what they want in their store and what not. I hope the EU just ignores the french request.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 02:18 PM   #208
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Just wow. Pedophilia and extreme violence? Way to devalue any persuasiveness of your argument with over the top rhetoric. As for your argument, it's complete bunk.

1. AppGratis' app was violating the TOS with Apple. Just because Apple didn't immediately drop the banhammer in no way implies AppGratis was in compliance.

2. I wish people would stop bringing Microsoft into the fray as an example. It's not the same thing; not even remotely. Microsoft got into trouble for including severe financial punishment for not abiding their wishes regarding bundling IE. Apple just got around to removing an app that violated their TOS. Not the same

3. Pedophilia and extreme violence? Is this seriously what you bring to the discussion? Yahoo has a comment section eagerly awaiting your arrival.
You might want to check the statistics about the % of people involved in either or in both. Apple cant' set whatever the heck they want to as TOS, if some legislators think something shouldn't be there, they should look at it, as they are already. As they did with the collusion business in the us, where, thanks to apple ebooks are now more expensive than hardbacks.
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 02:28 PM   #209
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In a free market Apple should be allowed to decide what they want in their store and what not. I hope the EU just ignores the french request.
1. It is not a free market, it has regulations
2. Any company can do whatever they want according to the laws, nothing more
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 02:41 PM   #210
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1. It is not a free market, it has regulations
Yes, that's my impression of France too. There's almost too many regulations around. But that's their local problem and so I hope the EU keeps a cool head and decides in favor of freedom.
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Yes, that's my impression of France too. There's almost too many regulations around. But that's their local problem and so I hope the EU keeps a cool head and decides in favor of freedom.
Ahem, the EU is NOT a free market, it has regulations. Hopefuly
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Yes, that's my impression of France too. There's almost too many regulations around. But that's their local problem and so I hope the EU keeps a cool head and decides in favor of freedom.
Yeah cause we know where deciding in favour of "freedom" for multinationals and the speculative global banking sector got us, nowhere near a global financial meltdown of course.... Maybe they should decide in favour of apple's freedom to dodge taxes by the dutch sandwich and in favor of their freedom to offer one year warranty instead of the standard eu wide two year warranty, and have the audacity to actually charge of an extra two years even.

Boy, am I glad there are regulators!
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Old Apr 15, 2013, 03:58 PM   #213
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1. It is not a free market, it has regulations
2. Any company can do whatever they want according to the laws, nothing more
And what law I there that forces a store to carry a certain product? Note that I am not saying a particular type of product, but a particular product made by a particular manufacturer? If apple was to be forced to sell AppGtatis that is the same as saying your local food store has to sell a particular brand of mustard.
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And what law I there that forces a store to carry a certain product?
Please, point where I have said that an store has to carry a certain product.
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Please, point where I have said that an store has to carry a certain product.
"Any company can do whatever they want according to the laws, nothing more"

I'll ask it another way, what law is Apple in violation of for removing AppGratis from the iOS App store?
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Who said it was Apple's problem?
You said: Perhaps AppGratis isn't a viable business on other platforms?. Are you suggesting then that Apple should have to allow the app in their App Store? I would argue its not Apple' problem if app gratis can't make a go of it on Android or some other platform.
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You said: Perhaps AppGratis isn't a viable business on other platforms?. Are you suggesting then that Apple should have to allow the app in their App Store?
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I'll ask it another way, what law is Apple in violation of for removing AppGratis from the iOS App store?
My God, where I have said that Apple is in violation of any law or where I have talked about Apple specifically?

You have said that Apple can do what they want with their store. I have pointed that any company (not just Apple) can do just what they wantd according to the laws, nothing more.
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My God, where I have said that Apple is in violation of any law or where I have talked about Apple specifically?

You have said that Apple can do what they want with their store. I have pointed that any company (not just Apple) can do just what they wantd according to the laws, nothing more.
The implication being that Apple violated some law.

Also I never said that apple can do whatever they want in their store. For example pedophilia or hate content would clearly not be allowed (well hate may depend on the jurisdiction).

I said that Apple should be free to choose their business model, the implication that their business model would need to fall inside of the law.
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The implication being that Apple violated some law.
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Also I never said that apple can do whatever they want in their store.
My original quote was not to you.
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