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Old Oct 10, 2013, 02:14 PM   #26
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America will learn one day. Wonder how many more lives it will take.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 02:26 PM   #27
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It sure is an interesting juxtaposition to see your attitude in the motorcycle thread compared to it in this thread.
Nobody in that thread understood or even tried to understand what point I was making. The tone of that thread is to say 100% bad about the bikers and 100% good about the Range driver. Say anything else and you get everyone jumping down your throat. I wasn't even defending anyone. I just called it quits with that thread.
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Old Oct 10, 2013, 03:12 PM   #28
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Then explain how he died of asphyxiation with damage to his larynx?

I bet one of the cops had his knee or elbow on the guy's neck using way to much force.

Funny how in sitituations where a taser would work best, they don't use it.
I call in in unfortunate accident of having it take three officers to hold you down to handcuff a person. I am sure that much weight on any person will cause some damage but I do not feel it is excessive or brutal force. If they were punching him or kicking and kneeing him then yes, but that is not the case in this incident.

yeah I could read the headlines now, cops use taser on a down syndrome kid... yeah that sounds so much better. Let me guess if they would have done that, the exact thing would have been said. Why did they have to use a taser on him, etc etc etc.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 02:35 AM   #29
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Did they shoot the guy?

This isn't about firing a gun, it's about using excessive force.


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Nope, he died of asphyxiation. While this is tragic, they chose to use other than guns in their application of force. Sadly, similar results.

Exactly.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 06:16 AM   #30
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Sounds like abuse to me. The caregiver even warned the cops. From the pic, he didn't seem like a small person. I can only imagine the amount of force used.
Why wasn't he just allowed to stay?
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 07:57 AM   #31
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Why wasn't he just allowed to stay?
... with some free popcorn, too.
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 07:59 AM   #32
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... with some free popcorn, too.
Why not?
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Old Oct 11, 2013, 03:07 PM   #33
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Why wasn't he just allowed to stay?

I think it's due to the fact that people have been conditioned to "follow the rules" so strictly that they fail to see the circumstances surrounding the issue.


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Why not?

Yes, why not? Isn't it great to be charitable?
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... Yes, why not? Isn't it great to be charitable?
Absolutely. I could spend hours happily spending someone else's money.
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Absolutely. I could spend hours happily spending someone else's money.
That isn't what being charitable means.
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Absolutely. I could spend hours happily spending someone else's money.

It seems like you're saying that reluctantly. Elaborate for us how angry you really are about this.
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The young man died and died in a very traumatic way for $15. I hope he didn't realize that he was going to die, I also hope he wasn't able to comprehend why. The people around this guy caused his death it's a heart breaking story.
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Absolutely. I could spend hours happily spending someone else's money.
I'm curious. Have you actually spent any significant time around people with Down syndrome and other developmental disabilities? Irony is sometimes inappropriate.
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Absolutely. I could spend hours happily spending someone else's money.
As a species we have decided that we are going to spend (sometimes large) amounts of money making facilities accessible to the disabled where possible. The costs to their business of letting a guy with Down's syndrome see another film or stay with his carer while they clean up the rest of the cinema is pretty small.

Letting him stay is part of the cost of doing business.
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The young man died and died in a very traumatic way for $15. I hope he didn't realize that he was going to die, I also hope he wasn't able to comprehend why. The people around this guy caused his death it's a heart breaking story.

I'm with you on this. With an IQ of 40, I hope he didn't have the cognitive ability to realize what was about to happen when to officer was being excessive with force.

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Which part of this story indicates "shoot first, ask questions later?"
It looks like police followed what they were trained to do here, and the death was an unfortunate accident. There definitely are plenty of cases of police brutality that you can point to, this just isn't one of them.
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