I had three phone interviews with Apple but...

Speaking from experience - from both an external applicant and former apple employee - Apple will either move you up a step in the hiring process or leave you behind. There's no middle man.

You can't call back and ask for feedback. Once they've deemed you are currently not a perfect fit for the company they move on.

raistbranch said:

That's rude and there is nothing more to add.

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Welcome to the real world. It is rare to find any company that will tell you directly, sorry not hired. Companies just say we'll call, but if they don't take it as they moved on.

raistbranch said:

I did interviews with several big companies and I have always got the feedback.
In addition the fact that "no giving feedback" is common, it does not mean that is polite.
Apple is rude.

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Like I said several companies will not do it. Apple is one of them. Stop crying over spilled milk and move on.

I don't know that it is Apple's rude behavior, as much as it might just be that particular recruiter's rude behavior. This may or may not be common with the application process at Apple?

I don't agree that it is rude that they didn't call you back. But the fact that you gave them ample time then reached out twice and didn't get any sort of follow up...that seems rude to me. They should have at least sent out a "sorry, not hired, thank you for applying" letter if they have in fact moved on.

sdilley14 said:

I don't know that it is Apple's rude behavior, as much as it might just be that particular recruiter's rude behavior. This may or may not be common with the application process at Apple?

I don't agree that it is rude that they didn't call you back. But the fact that you gave them ample time then reached out twice and didn't get any sort of follow up...that seems rude to me. They should have at least sent out a "sorry, not hired, thank you for applying" letter if they have in fact moved on.

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I have heard that the recruiter in my area takes approximately 4 weeks to get back to you due to scheduling based on a few other specialists that I've talked to, which is why I'm kind of on the fence on deciding whether or not I should apply. As far as I know, this is just for the retail division. Experiences may very.

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raistbranch said:

Common and good-mannered are not synonyms.
In addition approving these behaviours, claiming that they are "common", does not sound good because Apple's main slogan is "think different".

I have just moved on, I am only pointing out about the very rough behaviour of Apple.

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They are thinking different. Someone different for the position

raistbranch said:

Common and good-mannered are not synonyms.
In addition approving these behaviours, claiming that they are "common", does not sound good because Apple's main slogan is "think different".

I have just moved on, I am only pointing out about the very rough behaviour of Apple.

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I certainly sympathize with the situation and outcome you just had. I had applied to Teletech@Home and for 2 months they screwed me finely, led me on high, so much interest, tons of follow ups and updates, i could have sworn me and that recruiter had something, and then the day came when i got the email saying they didn't want me, i felt like a cheap used piece of meat..normally i like that feeling, but that day I was sad

raistbranch said:

Common and good-mannered are not synonyms.
In addition approving these behaviours, claiming that they are "common", does not sound good because Apple's main slogan is "think different".

I have just moved on, I am only pointing out about the very rough behaviour of Apple.

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Companies should have the decency to respond, especially when it takes very little effort to respond to a followup email. If you don't hear back after the first, it's time to move on. You could always try applying for a different role a year from now. I wouldn't read into marketing slogans or even call them slogans anymore.

I would like for the business world to level out when it comes to employees.

It's been very hard to grasp, how a company which tends to have a lot more disposable income, and greater levels of protection - can just drop potential hires without any courtesy at all.

Yet if you showed the same courtesy towards them - not answering calls, not following up - your ass is grass, and you'll likely be blacklisted to boot.

Then there is the "2 weeks notice" should you leave - but layoffs / firings are almost always instant, without warning. I understand some of why they do it - but most workers do not have the same level of protection, and stand to lose much more without their jobs.

Big-TDI-Guy said:

I would like for the business world to level out when it comes to employees.

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One of the first step in this direction would be for companies to stop referring employees as 'resources' and use the term 'people'. That would go a long way already.

Akarin said:

One of the first step in this direction would be for companies to stop referring employees as 'resources' and use the term 'people'. That would go a long way already.

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Yup, it's much harder to downsize when your firing a person with a family to feed. Americans don't value themselves much, we're good with being a resource like all others.

Unfortunately, no feedback is usually the case. I have been looking for work for quite some time now and although the 'Although your qualifications are impressive...' emails are annoying at least you know.

I have been to 2 hiring events at Apple and heading to my 3rd on Friday. Any pointers from those who have successfully gone to one of those?