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Old Aug 22, 2013, 01:46 PM   #26
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That's cool. However, pardons of this stature tend to come in the final days of an administration. We'll probably have to wait and see. Private Manning's story has many pages left to run.
Considering some of the reasons Sonwden has tried to use to get asylum is the treatment that Manning got I could see Obama commuting his sentence or pardoning him to try to convince other countries that the US will protect Snowden's rights if they turn him over. If Obama decides to do that then I would see it coming soon rather than in the last days of the administration, otherwise I don't see Manning getting a pardon since Obama's policy seems to be trying to make an example of any whistleblowers so that the government can keep its secrets.
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Old Aug 22, 2013, 01:54 PM   #27
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Considering some of the reasons Sonwden has tried to use to get asylum is the treatment that Manning got I could see Obama commuting his sentence or pardoning him to try to convince other countries that the US will protect Snowden's rights if they turn him over. If Obama decides to do that then I would see it coming soon rather than in the last days of the administration, otherwise I don't see Manning getting a pardon since Obama's policy seems to be trying to make an example of any whistleblowers so that the government can keep its secrets.

Could be. I'm reluctant to start weighing in on the entire SnowdenAssangeManningGreenwaldNSA thing. Not sure I've entirely thought through what few positions I have, except to say two things:

1. Nothing I've read has changed my online behaviour and...
2. When I see civil libertarians get excited about other people's civil rights, especially those who are disadvantaged, then I might pay more attention.

There's only much poutrage I have. Not sure the tank's got enough to go the distance on this.
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Old Aug 22, 2013, 02:51 PM   #28
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As long as he is a prisoner any medical treatment he receives should only be whatever is necessary for his physical health. He does not need hormone therapy for physical health so therefore our tax dollars should not be used to provide it. When he gets out in 35 years if he wants to pay for his own hormone therapy then more power to him.
Would you say that anti-depressant, anti-anxiety, or other psychiatric drugs should be withheld as well?
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Old Aug 22, 2013, 03:47 PM   #29
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After reading a little of Bradley (Chelsea) Manning's biography, I am utterly stunned that a) he/she should have chosen to enlist in the military b) that any recruiter would have felt that they were dealing with an enlistee who was going to make a good soldier and c) that once deployed to a combat zone, this individual was placed (and kept) in a position where they had access to classified information.

I think it says volumes about our institutional inability to face up to uncomfortable realities; to hide problems "under the rug"; and to be willing to sacrifice one's own immediate professional objectives for the overall good of the unit.

I'm quite sure the Army recruiter who signed Manning up was working towards meeting his or her monthly quota. And provided recruits met the educational and background standards in place, they didn't give two hoots about the problems they were creating for not just Manning's eventual commanders and comrades, but for Manning.

Throughout training, and ultimately deployment to a combat unit, there must have been hundreds of clues that this person was fundamentally unsuited to a military career. But rather than face up to and deal with the problem military personnel - Manning's commanders and comrades - simply passed the buck. And at every turn, by their inaction, they made the job of the next unit that much more difficult. By doing so, they ultimately ended up endangering not just themselves, but their nation itself.

None of this absolves Manning of responsibility, or guilt for revealing classified information. She/he deserves to be punished appropriately for doing so. And she/he should not have pursued a military career. Perhaps it says something of the limited career options for a high school graduate in this country that such a troubled individual should have done so.
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For transgender prisoners, hormones seen as matter of life and death

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transg...ath-6C10981031

"Self-castration, suicide and waves of desperation are byproducts of the denial of sex hormones to inmates yearning to switch genders, advocates say."
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For transgender prisoners, hormones seen as matter of life and death

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transg...ath-6C10981031

"Self-castration, suicide and waves of desperation are byproducts of the denial of sex hormones to inmates yearning to switch genders, advocates say."
Given that he was already kept in a state that the UN officially recognizes as torture (forced to sleep naked, solitary confinement, etc) I don't think our government gives a **** what happens to chelsea. In fact, there has been clear evidence throughout the years that we actively work to make political prisoners (another violation) so called lives hell while incarcerated.
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Old Aug 26, 2013, 10:38 AM   #32
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The right thing? Stealing classified documents is the right thing to do? You can't be serious. I think he got off pretty easy. He will get out just in time to collect SS.
He absolutely did the right thing. Government abuse is a national issue from both sides of the aisle.
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