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Old Mar 20, 2013, 09:02 AM   #151
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Gruber is an idiot turkey stuffed with greasy agenda....he blogs because he can't produce ANYTHING.

Lynch is crazy smart. And btw folks...if you see something utterly sweet and innovative on the web...and (context) right click on it...70% of the time...you'll see it was produced in Flash.

All the big sites are still using it: News, Sports, Auto sites, YouTube, etc. etc.

As someone who has produced both HTML 5 and Flash I can say with some expertise: HTML5 is 10 years behind.
Well, Gruber produced this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown

He is also a literate writer, something that you might want to emulate in your posts.

Oh, and you love Flash. Good for you, but an emotion not shared by all.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 09:23 AM   #152
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Hopefully we will be seeing Apple's take on Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. We just need someone to do it in the hope that Adobe prices come down to something more reasonable. They have no serious opposition at the moment, and as we all know, competition improves the breed and brings down prices.
I am not sure how the pricing could go lower. It only cost me $65 for Creative Suite 6, direct from Adobe. Of course it was on sale and it was for the education version ;-)
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 09:27 AM   #153
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WTF. Did Steve forget to teach Cook how to hire people? He apparently is not very good at it...
Didn't Steve hire Mark Papermaster?

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A hire at this level had to be approved by iCook.
So Cook approves VP hires? I know where I work the CEO isn't approving hires at that level....unless of course it's someone reporting directly to him.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 09:34 AM   #154
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CS6 works incredibly well on Windows. Cross platform audio software works better on Windows too. Maybe it's not Adobe per se...
It works well on my MacPro with 6-core 3.33GHz and 24GB ram. Not as well on My MBP 3.06GHz with 8GB ram. It is hard to find much difference between CS3 and CS6 other than OS compatibility.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:04 AM   #155
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Nope. I had 3 Android phones in the last 14 months (Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note2) and they all had Flash player. In fact, the last version of Flash Player for Android was released a month ago (link) And if you want to install the player on the latest Android phones (Jelly Bean) read instructions here.
A security update! Exactly the problem with flash - No more new features on the Android.

Look I have made a lot of money from flash and I am happy its not in mobile browsers. Too many holes. the way memory is managed in a browser etc makes it terrible for phones. Let alone the fact that 95% of site don't work because there is/was no rollover on a touch phone.

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ash-focus.html
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:04 AM   #156
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Didn't Steve hire Mark Papermaster?

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No, he didn't. But it was Steve who fired him.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:08 AM   #157
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I've read all 7 pages of comments and have to add another possibility. Most are probably aware that Adobe is pushing this monthly fee for use of their products. I choose to buy products individually or as a suite rather than monthly payments, but that is my choice. It is possible that Lynch may try to set up something with the cloud that makes Apple apps available there. I not sure if that would be good or bad.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:11 AM   #158
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Claris Draw
Despite its simplicity, it was fine for basic drawing.

BTW, I looked for a cheap Mac vector drawing program - couldn't find anything suitable.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:18 AM   #159
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Everyone knows that Xcode is probably the most unApple like product that they make, hopefully with this new hire they can make Xcode into a Flash CS6 killer.
It's not targeted at consumers, that's why it may appear outlandish to you.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:21 AM   #160
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No, he didn't. But it was Steve who fired him.
I find it hard to believe Steve didn't hire him considering he reported directly to him
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:23 AM   #161
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I am not sure how the pricing could go lower. It only cost me $65 for Creative Suite 6, direct from Adobe. Of course it was on sale and it was for the education version ;-)
Lucky you. Adobe prices outside USA get even more stupid. For example here in the UK, the CS6 Master Collection is 2,677.60, which is about US$4,057.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 10:44 AM   #162
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Lucky you. Adobe prices outside USA get even more stupid. For example here in the UK, the CS6 Master Collection is 2,677.60, which is about US$4,057.
It's really not that bad. I use the CS6 subscription service and it really doesn't cost that much per month. In terms of my business it's probably my least expensive bill, plus I don't have to worry about buying a new version every other year since the subscription model updates on its own. (This is why most enterprise level software is subscription based)

As far as alternatives to Adobe... unless all the vendors I work with start accepting non adobe files, it's a moot point. Most require AI or ID files. I use Photoshop sparingly, but have heavy use in Illustrator and InDesign and frankly don't have time to learn a new software program just to save a couple of bucks. I've not had any issues with CS6 programs crashing either, CS5 however, was a different story.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 11:02 AM   #163
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He doesn't need to. It's already a pro tool. That comment is so last year.

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When was this? Recently? it may not be fit for your particular setup, but it's a perfectly valid NLE at this point. Quite awesome actually.
I works great for tiny studios and prosumer setups. If you have network media storage and are pumping out episodic work.... it sucks rocks for lots of reasons.

I loved a lot of the new features of FCP X... but they eliminated core functionality for a studio situation.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 11:33 AM   #164
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I find it hard to believe Steve didn't hire him considering he reported directly to him
Well, he was hired during Jobs' medical absence (when Cook was managing Apple).
Upon his return in middle of antennagate, Jobs let Papermaster go.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 12:34 PM   #165
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 01:10 PM   #166
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is not this the same company he worked for that made Deamweaver? If so This software was made the industry standard for web design - Adobe ditched there own web software GoLive for Deamweaver and never looked back. I think maybe a boost in pro apps is a good thing - maybe make better programs and under cute the blooted Adobe Software. I bet if Adobe dropped the price of there software by 75% there would be less software piracy as Photoshop is one of the most pirated software. Make prices so people can afford them. Dropping lightroom 4 in half was a good thing apple did the same with Apature 3 dropped the price from $400 to $80 only reason why i own it otherwise could not afford it atm.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 01:58 PM   #167
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Well, he was hired during Jobs' medical absence (when Cook was managing Apple).
Upon his return in middle of antennagate, Jobs let Papermaster go.
hmmm Papermaster was offered the position in Oct 2008, Jobs didn't take his 1st leave until Jan 2009
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 02:47 PM   #168
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Steverino was a Director nerd? Who knew?
I meant that Jobs supposedly referred to people he regarded as bad engineers as bozos, and Gruber apparently adopted the term.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 03:57 PM   #169
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Why is everyone focused on Flash?

I see a much larger, much more important issue here. Steve Jobs was Apple's "CTO" - he was the driver of much of the company's innovation and technological direction. Hiring of a CTO is a clear indication and admission by Tim Cook that he is more interested in managing Apple than leading it. Wasn't it Tim Cook who said that once you hire a "chief of innovation" then the company's days are numbered? So what did he do? He hired someone as a "CTO" who will basically be the driver of Apple's technologies and innovation moving forward.

Bad news.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 04:20 PM   #170
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Nope. I had 3 Android phones in the last 14 months (Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note2) and they all had Flash player. In fact, the last version of Flash Player for Android was released a month ago (link) And if you want to install the player on the latest Android phones (Jelly Bean) read instructions here.
Sure, no doubt you have it installed and can find it useful. But you have to side-load it from some file sharing site.

And while it's certainly nice that a security fix made it out from Adobe recently, Adobe has already committed to leaving that codebase to wither and die.

Sorry, my Nexus isn't touching that with a 10 foot pole.
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Old Mar 20, 2013, 04:50 PM   #171
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Sluggish?? I use Adobe apps all day long, I wouldn't call them particularly sluggish (provided you have enough RAM, that is).
I've 16GB in my Mac mini, and scrolling a two-layer, 3MB CAD drawing with Illustrator CS6 means seeing the comet's tie (Illustrator keeps retracing lines that were in the previous view, but are not in the new one). InDesign can only be used in Standard quality preview mode, or pages will stick on the screen. I cannot but call this 'sluggish'.

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I've used most of Apple's apps and the Adobe apps still blow them away, Lightroom is far better on the whole than Aperture, and After Effects is far better than Motion. Final Cut Pro is a good app but is also really backwards in a lot of ways
I use the Adobe suite because it does things that I cannot find anywhere else, or are worse. This doen't mean I find them anywhere near to perfection. In some areas they are very outdate: just think to InDesign's support for ePub and XHTML, or the lack of an outliner in this now supposedly long-document creator.

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And the "alien" interface is actually an advantage when you have to switch back and forth between platforms
OK, I can tolerate an original, common user interface. But not Window elements transplanted into the Mac, like it happens with Acrobat X and some parts of Illustrator. This is not cross-platform, but traces of a badly-made porting with very little respect for customers not working on Windows.

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Old Mar 20, 2013, 08:38 PM   #172
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Well... as an owner of a production studio with a dozen animators, editors, producers and additional staff.... I'd say otherwise. We gave Final Cut Pro X a good 90 day run and it's definitely not fit for a pro environment.

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There are still a lot of critical features missing in Final Cut Pro X that will keep us from returning to it any time soon. Which is unfortunate, as our studio was a FCP studio since 2.0
Yeah, they screwed up with FCP X. I think they will fix it. The question is how long it takes. I know you can't wait around when you've got a business to run. I think they're waiting on Logic 10 (X) to make sure they get it right. We shall see though. Are you still using legacy FCP or have you jumped ship entirely?
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Old Mar 21, 2013, 11:27 AM   #173
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No, he didn't. But it was Steve who fired him.
So Papermaster was hired without Steve's knowledge or approval? I have a hard time believing that.
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Old Mar 22, 2013, 11:25 AM   #174
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Yeah, they screwed up with FCP X. I think they will fix it. The question is how long it takes. I know you can't wait around when you've got a business to run. I think they're waiting on Logic 10 (X) to make sure they get it right. We shall see though. Are you still using legacy FCP or have you jumped ship entirely?
We waited around for over a year hoping they would fix the critical flaws in FCP X... they've added better features, but it still isn't up to par for a studio situation. We were the last studio in our market area to move off of FCP to another editing platform. We held out our hope for Apple to fix their app. Oh well... maybe they'll fix it in the future and we'll move back.
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