Getting tired of Apple server requirement for ATV

danny_w · Dec 29, 2012, 09:43 PM

It just happened again tonight, now I can't access anything on my ATV2. I was watching a movie on Netflix when it just stopped, just like I pressed the menu button. I hate how Apple has designed the ATV to require access to Apple servers before anything (even local content) will work! What a stupid decision! Oh well it will probably be back up by the time I get back downstairs but I just had to rant.

musicpenguy · Dec 29, 2012, 10:12 PM

Um it doesn't - watching content now on a no Internet version of WiFi - over AirPlay - Netflix will work only if your Internet connection is active. Not an Apple issue - sounds like you have connectivity issues

mmomega · Dec 29, 2012, 10:33 PM

That happen to be a JB aTV2?

marzer · Dec 30, 2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_w

It just happened again tonight, now I can't access anything on my ATV2. I was watching a movie on Netflix when it just stopped, just like I pressed the menu button. I hate how Apple has designed the ATV to require access to Apple servers before anything (even local content) will work! What a stupid decision! Oh well it will probably be back up by the time I get back downstairs but I just had to rant.

Playing netflix has nothing to do with apple servers. If your netflix dropped it was most likely due to an issue with netflix servers or perhaps an issue with your internet service.

danny_w · Dec 30, 2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by musicpenguy

Um it doesn't - watching content now on a no Internet version of WiFi - over AirPlay - Netflix will work only if your Internet connection is active. Not an Apple issue - sounds like you have connectivity issues

Look again - I didn't say anything about Airplay did I? There are plenty of other threads on this forum about this same issue. The ATV (NOT jailbroken) can stream your iTunes music, video, podcasts, etc., play Netflix content, Youtube content, etc., but ONLY if the ATV can connect to the Apple servers. If the Apple servers happen to go down, so does your streaming. I am not making this up, check it out. If the ATV cannot connect to Apple then the ATV becomes useless (except maybe for Airplay, I don't know). You can have a solid network and internet connection but that does not matter. Again, stupid design. And I love my ATV but this is getting to be too much.

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Originally Posted by marzer

Playing netflix has nothing to do with apple servers. If your netflix dropped it was most likely due to an issue with netflix servers or perhaps an issue with your internet service.

Playing Netflix directly on the ATV (not over Airplay) has everything to do with Apple servers. Search is your friend.

Primejimbo · Dec 30, 2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_w

Look again - I didn't say anything about Airplay did I? There are plenty of other threads on this forum about this same issue. The ATV (NOT jailbroken) can stream your iTunes music, video, podcasts, etc., play Netflix content, Youtube content, etc., but ONLY if the ATV can connect to the Apple servers. If the Apple servers happen to go down, so does your streaming. I am not making this up, check it out. If the ATV cannot connect to Apple then the ATV becomes useless (except maybe for Airplay, I don't know). You can have a solid network and internet connection but that does not matter. Again, stupid design. And I love my ATV but this is getting to be too much.[COLOR="#808080"]

Except for Netflix and Youtube, you don't even need internet. I've done it, so I know 1st had. A few times my internet went out and we just watched movies streaming from the Mac Mini to the Apple TV.

silverboy31 · Dec 30, 2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Primejimbo

Except for Netflix and Youtube, you don't even need internet. I've done it, so I know 1st had. A few times my internet went out and we just watched movies streaming from the Mac Mini to the Apple TV.

. True my Internet was down for a few days .. Can still stream from computer to Apple TV no problems over wireless router to Apple TV ...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danny_w

Look again - I didn't say anything about Airplay did I? There are plenty of other threads on this forum about this same issue. The ATV (NOT jailbroken) can stream your iTunes music, video, podcasts, etc., play Netflix content, Youtube content, etc., but ONLY if the ATV can connect to the Apple servers. If the Apple servers happen to go down, so does your streaming. I am not making this up, check it out. If the ATV cannot connect to Apple then the ATV becomes useless (except maybe for Airplay, I don't know). You can have a solid network and internet connection but that does not matter. Again, stupid design. And I love my ATV but this is getting to be too much.

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Playing Netflix directly on the ATV (not over Airplay) has everything to do with Apple servers. Search is your friend.

Search is your friend too

esmith2039 · Dec 30, 2012, 01:50 PM

Funny yours stopped about the same time as mine last night. Although not sure if it's related. It will also stop while streaming from the mini. Need to run a CAT6 to it and I think it'll solve the issue.

BigAudio · Dec 30, 2012, 02:17 PM

Running Cat6 to it is overkill. The apple tv only supports 100Mb ethernet, no gigabit. Hard wiring it will help with load times, and stability, but you can do that with cat 5.

d21mike · Dec 30, 2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAudio

Running Cat6 to it is overkill. The apple tv only supports 100Mb ethernet, no gigabit. Hard wiring it will help with load times, and stability, but you can do that with cat 5.

Run CAT6 because the cost difference is very little and at some point in the future you will want GB Ethernet.

mmomega · Dec 30, 2012, 06:36 PM

Like others have mentioned, I know for a fact that the aTV does not HAVE to be connected to any Apple server to work.

My wife and I go RV'ing quite a bit and I have taken my Mac Mini + External Hard Drive + Airport Extreme to set up a WiFi network and Home Sharing, works like a champ with zero connection to the outside world, this is across an aTV2 and 3.

Also, if you're buying in bulk, CAT5 = $75/1000' , CAT5E = $80/1000' or CAT6 = $106/1000'

IMO, I'd run the CAT6 and be done with it, if Apple updates their devices to gigabit at a later point you're good.

CAT6 is good for gigabit to 10gigabit, CAT5E for gigabit, CAT5 for 1000Mbit

esmith2039 · Dec 30, 2012, 09:22 PM

The reasoning for CAT6.. already have it! Let's just say it was a demo job at work and my house is the trash can. Good to know the ATV is only 100Mb although it does connect a bit faster versus wireless. I hate wireless if I can avoid it I will.. setup and ran a wireless ISP once. Used to have nightmares..

jwhazel · Jan 1, 2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by danny_w

Playing Netflix directly on the ATV (not over Airplay) has everything to do with Apple servers.

Why do you think the ATV has to be connected to Apple servers to play 3rd party content? What sense does that make for anyone?

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Originally Posted by danny_w

Search is your friend.

Search is your friend too.
http://sitedown.co/netflix
http://www.zdnet.com/netflix-suffers...et-7000009251/

awair · Jan 1, 2013, 01:52 PM

I'll admit to just being confused, rather than knowledgeable, but I'm with the OP mostly.

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Why do you think the ATV has to be connected to Apple servers to play 3rd party content? What sense does that make for anyone

Dynamic menus: menu items appear/disappear 'at whim', when Apple servers dictate whether the content should be available. The items (that i've seen disappear) include Movies, TV Shows & Music, as well as Hulu, Netflix, and the Apple presentations. The only item that remains with loss of connectivity is for Computers (ie local content).

I would love to see a better explanation of why/how this works.

Dec 29, 2012, 09:43 PM	#1
danny_w macrumors 68040 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, TX	Getting tired of Apple server requirement for ATV It just happened again tonight, now I can't access anything on my ATV2. I was watching a movie on Netflix when it just stopped, just like I pressed the menu button. I hate how Apple has designed the ATV to require access to Apple servers before anything (even local content) will work! What a stupid decision! Oh well it will probably be back up by the time I get back downstairs but I just had to rant. __________________ 2008 iMac Alu 24" C2D (Home) Lion, Early 2011 13" MBP i7 (Work) Lion, iPhone 4 (T-Mobile) 5.1, TV2 (2), iPad2 16GB
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Dec 29, 2012, 10:12 PM	#2
musicpenguy macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2006	Um it doesn't - watching content now on a no Internet version of WiFi - over AirPlay - Netflix will work only if your Internet connection is active. Not an Apple issue - sounds like you have connectivity issues __________________ (2006: 17" MBP, Rev A: MBA Sold), 2009 Mac Mini, MBA 1.4GHz, 2GB, 128GB, 11" - iPad 64GB 3G, eMate 300, MP2100, 2G 8GB iPhone, 3G 16GB iPhone, 3G&6G Nano, 2G Shuffle, 160GB TV, TV-V2 - TPPN.TV
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Dec 29, 2012, 10:33 PM	#3
mmomega macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: DFW, TX	That happen to be a JB aTV2? __________________ '11 iMac 27" RAID'd SSD, '09 iMac 27" X-25M SSD, '10 iMac 27", iMacG4 1GHz768MB, '10 MacMini, '11 MacMini '12 MiniServer '12 15"rMBP, '12 13" MBAir, iPad4 16GBWiFi, iPad4 32GB4G, aTV1,2 & 3
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Dec 30, 2012, 06:36 PM	#11
mmomega macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: DFW, TX	Like others have mentioned, I know for a fact that the aTV does not HAVE to be connected to any Apple server to work. My wife and I go RV'ing quite a bit and I have taken my Mac Mini + External Hard Drive + Airport Extreme to set up a WiFi network and Home Sharing, works like a champ with zero connection to the outside world, this is across an aTV2 and 3. Also, if you're buying in bulk, CAT5 = $75/1000' , CAT5E = $80/1000' or CAT6 = $106/1000' IMO, I'd run the CAT6 and be done with it, if Apple updates their devices to gigabit at a later point you're good. CAT6 is good for gigabit to 10gigabit, CAT5E for gigabit, CAT5 for 1000Mbit __________________ '11 iMac 27" RAID'd SSD, '09 iMac 27" X-25M SSD, '10 iMac 27", iMacG4 1GHz768MB, '10 MacMini, '11 MacMini '12 MiniServer '12 15"rMBP, '12 13" MBAir, iPad4 16GBWiFi, iPad4 32GB4G, aTV1,2 & 3
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Dec 30, 2012, 09:22 PM	#12
esmith2039 macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2012	The reasoning for CAT6.. already have it! Let's just say it was a demo job at work and my house is the trash can. Good to know the ATV is only 100Mb although it does connect a bit faster versus wireless. I hate wireless if I can avoid it I will.. setup and ran a wireless ISP once. Used to have nightmares.. __________________ Mac Mini late 2012 i7 - LG 32LK450 - 2 iPhone 4
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Dec 30, 2012, 01:50 PM	#8
esmith2039 macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2012	Funny yours stopped about the same time as mine last night. Although not sure if it's related. It will also stop while streaming from the mini. Need to run a CAT6 to it and I think it'll solve the issue. __________________ Mac Mini late 2012 i7 - LG 32LK450 - 2 iPhone 4
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Dec 30, 2012, 02:17 PM	#9
BigAudio macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2009	Running Cat6 to it is overkill. The apple tv only supports 100Mb ethernet, no gigabit. Hard wiring it will help with load times, and stability, but you can do that with cat 5.
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