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Old Dec 27, 2013, 01:08 PM   #76
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Right...

Who threw down "starving kids in Africa"?

Who said anything about "plights being irrelevant"?

Here it is post in its entirety. A little context helps fill in the gaps of your creative editing ...


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i dont think they should feel guilty.

however.

they should at least be cognisant of others life situations compared to their own.

Christmas is supposed to be the time of giving and love for everyone. "**** you starving kid in Africa, i got my mac pro, so you're plight is irrelevant" is not the best attitude to take to endear yourself to anyone.

And as a non American... thats the kind of stereotype that is typically aimed at americans. Self centred people who are more impressed by their own financial wealth than that of giving and ensuring everyon'es well being.

don't play into that stereotype. it's not cool.

now we're just off topic though.

as the guy below me said...

If that post is your example of "righteous indignation" and a "high horse" then I'll suggest you're being a bit too sensitive about it.

But I sense that I'm on the cusp of "arguing for the sake of argument" so I'll leave it at that.

Peace.

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Old Dec 27, 2013, 01:14 PM   #77
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If that post is your example of "righteous indignation" and a "high horse" then I'll suggest you're being a bit too sensitive about it.
It is exactly those things.

And even if I were "sensitive", what would that make someone that got teary over how another person spends their money on a Mac Pro?
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 09:49 AM   #78
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Well colour me surprised that people find a $3000 computer makes you rich.

My third wife could spend that much on shoes, in two hours.
Not to mention a purse! Heck one purse can cost that much if not more.
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 11:09 AM   #79
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Sorry, but this topic disgusts me. Spending $3000 on a purse or a watch( aka Rolex) may get the accusations of calling people rich as spending that much on an item such as those suggests the person having a ton of disposable income( though there are exceptions). But, spending $3000 on a computer meant to make you productive hardly makes you rich. That $3000 is being spent to help a person at their job. While there may be some rich people that will buy a Mac Pro just to look cool, there are others that need the CPU and GPU from the Mac Pro.
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 11:30 AM   #80
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But, spending $3000 on a computer meant to make you productive hardly makes you rich. That $3000 is being spent to help a person at their job. While there may be some rich people that will buy a Mac Pro just to look cool, there are others that need the CPU and GPU from the Mac Pro.
That depends entirely on what you do with the computer.

For every person being "productive" I think you'll probably find more people watching videos, engaging in social networking, gaming or engaging in porn.

Perhaps we need to define the meaning of productivity.
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 11:38 AM   #81
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That depends entirely on what you do with the computer.

For every person being "productive" I think you'll probably find more people watching videos, engaging in social networking, gaming or engaging in porn.

Perhaps we need to define the meaning of productivity.
I didn't deny there are probably people who will spend $3000 on it where an iMac would be better for their needs.

Also, no doubt people will buy it for gaming as well. While the FirePro's may not be the best GPU's to game, there probably still better than the 780M in the iMac(though games won't take advantage of the dual GPU's). And there is the possibility of removing the FirePro's and put in a better gaming GPU like the 780 or Titan if a third-party market develops for the new Mac Pro.

Overall, I am of the thought of don't demonize everyone who buy a Mac Pro and label them as rich. It's like with pickup trucks. Don't hate everyone for those who buy them to look cool. There are people who do buy the trucks to use them for what they are designed for.
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 11:46 AM   #82
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Huh? I've experienced the opposite, and I spend a LOT of time in hotels. In fact, for 7.5 years of my life, I lived in hotels as I had a 100% travel job.

In my experience, the more extravagant and expensive a hotel room is, the less you get for "free". The same bottle of beer isn't higher quality at a more expensive hotel.

If you go to a Holiday Inn Express, internet is free, pool is fee, exercise room is free, parking is usually free, ice is free, and they have low-priced vending machines and often an affordable laundry room. And the hotels are generally nice.

If you upgrade to the Hyatt Chicago, you'll pay out the nose for everything, and they even had security at the door which would stop you from bringing your own food or drink into the hotel. I could literally not walk in with a bottle of Coke. And if I wanted to have a drink in my room, I had to call room service. Room service to get a coke or even just some ice. We ended up taking our suitcases with us and loading stuff into them since they wouldn't inspect suitcases. This was over ten years ago, though, so they might have changed their policy since. The rooms were also extremely small, dark, and uncomfortable. I would never stay there again, regardless of the cost.
I have to agree to an extent, about the only thing "better" about high price hotels are that the beds are usually more comfortable. Although that's not always the case. I have stayed at the local Hyatt and they let us bring stuff in from outside so they might have changed policy. The staff seemed pretty stuck up though.
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Overall, I am of the thought of don't demonize everyone who buy a Mac Pro and label them as rich.
At the risk of repeating this far more times than I should, the OP did not "demonize" anybody. They just asked people to consider the relative differences in living standards around the world.

There's nothing wrong with considering such a thing. I believe it helps people appreciate the things that they have.
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 11:51 AM   #84
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That depends entirely on what you do with the computer.

For every person being "productive" I think you'll probably find more people watching videos, engaging in social networking, gaming or engaging in porn.

Perhaps we need to define the meaning of productivity.
Sure, but, honestly, you can buy a new Mac Pro for the sales tax on your new BMW, or, a new set of wheels for your BMW, or, (I could go on forever obviously). It seems no more harmful than someone spending a few thousand on a new set of tools for their garage workshop. In the grand scheme of overconsumption, anything that a (single) middle-class person can buy without a 5-30 year mortgage doesn't seem outlandish.

Besides, I'm looking forwarding to everyone getting used to 4K, and, if the new Mac Pro brings that day closer, it is OK with me.
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At the risk of repeating this far more times than I should, the OP did not "demonize" anybody. They just asked people to consider the relative differences in living standards around the world.

There's nothing wrong with considering such a thing. I believe it helps people appreciate the things that they have.
I know the OP didn't, but the discussion seemed to turn into it( and the OP isn't really the OP as stated the mods split the thread off).
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Old Dec 30, 2013, 12:42 PM   #86
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Sure, but, honestly, you can buy a new Mac Pro for the sales tax on your new BMW, or, a new set of wheels for your BMW, or, (I could go on forever obviously). It seems no more harmful than someone spending a few thousand on a new set of tools for their garage workshop. In the grand scheme of overconsumption, anything that a (single) middle-class person can buy without a 5-30 year mortgage doesn't seem outlandish.
You're preaching to the choir.

This fall I bought my wife the top-of-the-line iMac so she can browse the internet and play Second Life.

For Christmas I gave myself an iPad Air so I can sit on the couch with something better to browse with than my iPod Touch.

And in the spring I'll probably replace my 5 year-old iMac with a new computer—probably again a top-of-the-line iMac. There's a slight chance that I'll use it to do graphic design. But primarily, I'll use it to for entertainment purposes ... like discussing things with you folk.

All I'm agreeing with is the OP's suggestion that being capable of such purchases does in fact qualify me as being wealthy when compared to a majority of the world's population.

I am. I acknowledge that comparative wealth.
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