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Icaras

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I think March is gonna be a good month.... LP10 will not have a 32 bridge - 64bit only. Waves is moving 64bit this month with V9 - Get ready ...

March? As in, this March? Not March 2013, right? Boy, I'd love for you to be right. I really do. Of course I mean no disrespect, but seeing as you have a newbie account on MR, I hope you understand that it's really easy to take claims like these with a grain of salt.

But if what you say is true, where are you basing your info on? Insider knowledge? The fact that a bunch of Logic Pro 10 book pre-orders have begun popping up over the net? I'm curious what makes you so sure it will be in March?
 

fredoviola

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I'm sorry, what am I missing? It says it's a free upgrade for present Mainstage owners. Why all the complaints? And I'm excited about the idea of Logic 10, but I really hope to God they don't change it too much. One of the biggest problems I've had with Logic is that songs created in older versions do not have rock solid, stabile mixes. Instruments can suddenly be blanked and odd things start happening in the mix. I've come to actually expect wonky behavior when new things are created in Apple apps. :( I just want them to make Logic never ever crash! And 64-bit only would suck because my favorite 3rd party plugin, Abbey Road Brilliance Pack and Mastering Tools, doesn't work in 64 bit mode.

Incompatibility sucks!!!!
 

John.B

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I'm sorry, what am I missing? It says it's a free upgrade for present Mainstage owners. Why all the complaints?
It's only a free upgrade if you bought Mainstage for $29 from the Mac App Store.

Funny, though, that people who feel so incredibly ripped off at having to spend $29 can so easily dismiss "$50 M-Audio keyboards"...

And 64-bit only would suck because my favorite 3rd party plugin, Abbey Road Brilliance Pack and Mastering Tools, doesn't work in 64 bit mode.
Is their support/FAQ page wrong?

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/support.aspx
Do the Abbey Road plugins work with 64 bit systems?

Our internal tests on 64 bit systems have indicated the plugins are compatible. We have also received no reports from customers complaining of problems running the Abbey Road plugins on 64 bit systems.
 

petsounds

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Jun 30, 2007
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Logic 8 and 9 were paid upgrades but all the 9.0.x and 9.1.x updates (and there have been many of them including the addition of 64 bit support) were free downloads (and continue to be even after Logic is in the MAS). Anything is possible but I doubt Apple is going to start charging for minor updates to Logic, most likely paid at 10 and 11 with free updates in between.

Well, who knows? Up until MainStage 2.2, all MainStage updates were free with Logic Studio as well. I think this whole pay-twice thing is more about the way it *looks* than the way it *feels*. Apple should've given registered users of Logic 9 a free download of MainStage on the App Store to continue the upgrade cycle; I'm sure it's within their technical capabilities to do so. The fact that they didn't says a bit about how they view their professional users.

I assume that Logic 10 -- if it will exist -- will be App Store only. This is a bummer because it will make it harder to have multiple versions of Logic around in case some bug requires a downgrade for a task (and anyone who uses Logic knows this is pretty common). I have a feeling they're also going to require Lion (or Mountain Lion, if it takes that long), which would suck, but it seems like we're being pushed to Lion no matter how buggy it still is (the latest Xcode is Lion-only as well).
 

fredoviola

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Oct 20, 2008
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It's only a free upgrade if you bought Mainstage for $29 from the Mac App Store.

Funny, though, that people who feel so incredibly ripped off at having to spend $29 can so easily dismiss "$50 M-Audio keyboards"...


Is their support/FAQ page wrong?

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/support.aspx

Yes, their support pages are evidently wrong. I literally just had this issue two weeks ago and found that the plugins would not show up when Logic was in 64-bit mode. I had a back and forth with their tech support and their work around was for me to work in 32-bit mode. So, yep, wrong.
 

milo

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Sep 23, 2003
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Well, who knows?

Yep, that's my point. We'll see what happens, it stinks that they are charging people who paid $499 for the logic box to get what are essentially optimizations and bugfixes, but I don't think it's an indication they're going to charge for every update of Logic and other apps.

Up until MainStage 2.2, all MainStage updates were free with Logic Studio as well. I think this whole pay-twice thing is more about the way it *looks* than the way it *feels*. Apple should've given registered users of Logic 9 a free download of MainStage on the App Store to continue the upgrade cycle; I'm sure it's within their technical capabilities to do so.

Absolutely. At the same time they released MS and Logic on the app store they also released a free Logic update. Charging existing users for the MS update was purely a financial one, not a technical one.

The fact that they didn't says a bit about how they view their professional users.

I don't know if it really "says" anything or if they just decided to split off MS and handle it differently. If Apple really wanted to nickel and dime users they could have forced people to buy Logic on the app store to get the 9.1.6 update, which they didn't.

Apple could charge more frequently for Logic updates (paid 9.2, 10.1 etc). But they could do that whether it's on the app store or on disk (7.2 was a paid upgrade). I think some people are jumping to conclusions, reminds me of people freaking out that Logic would suffer the same fate as FCX regardless of how little evidence there was for that.

I assume that Logic 10 -- if it will exist -- will be App Store only. This is a bummer because it will make it harder to have multiple versions of Logic around in case some bug requires a downgrade for a task (and anyone who uses Logic knows this is pretty common). I have a feeling they're also going to require Lion (or Mountain Lion, if it takes that long), which would suck, but it seems like we're being pushed to Lion no matter how buggy it still is (the latest Xcode is Lion-only as well).

Sure looks like MAS only. I think you can still keep older versions of the app, you just have to make a copy and set it aside before running an update (which is what you do now with Logic updates to keep older versions). I've done that with other MAS apps and been able to keep multiple versions no problem, the only issue for me has been MAS telling me updates are available after I have the latest version.

I think it will take long enough that it will be after the ML release or close to it, my guess is it runs on Lion and ML. At this point ML is looking like a nice improvement over Lion so I would think that people who have the hardware that supports it would want to run that.
 

OS X Dude

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Following my email to Apple about MainStage on the MAS not being free for Logic Studio owners, I received a call today from an Apple representative.

Long story short, they're investigating why it's a paid-for program in it's own right (and not a free update for current owners), and get back to me in a couple of days with an answer. The guy was neutral, but one can hope they do release it as an update as a result of a valid customer complaint (I also linked to this thread in the email).

Glass half-full, right?
 

NY Guitarist

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Mar 21, 2011
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Following my email to Apple about MainStage on the MAS not being free for Logic Studio owners, I received a call today from an Apple representative.

Long story short, they're investigating why it's a paid-for program in it's own right (and not a free update for current owners), and get back to me in a couple of days with an answer. The guy was neutral, but one can hope they do release it as an update as a result of a valid customer complaint (I also linked to this thread in the email).

Glass half-full, right?

Thanks for taking the initiative to inquire about this! Keep us posted.
 

OS X Dude

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Thanks for taking the initiative to inquire about this! Keep us posted.

No problem, and I'll post back as soon as I get another response - whatever it turns out to be :)

Better someone tries to act on it than we all sit here bitching about it :p
 

OS X Dude

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Well, the Apple associate finally got back to me.

He was very courteous, and he said based on his investigation it was a "marketing reason" that they charge for MainStage 2.2. Not sure what to read into that, but Apple are sticking to making Studio owners pay for the MAS upgrade.

:(
 

fredoviola

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Oct 20, 2008
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It's only a free upgrade if you bought Mainstage for $29 from the Mac App Store.

Funny, though, that people who feel so incredibly ripped off at having to spend $29 can so easily dismiss "$50 M-Audio keyboards"...


Is their support/FAQ page wrong?

http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/support.aspx

Yes, what they have written there is wrong. I had a long back and forth with one of the tech staff and his last word was that Brilliance Pack does in fact fail installation, and in order to get it to POSSIBLY work you have to load it in an unorthodox way. He said they are working on fixing and could not offer a date as to when it would be completed.
 

John.B

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Jan 15, 2008
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Holocene Epoch
Well, the Apple associate finally got back to me.

He was very courteous, and he said based on his investigation it was a "marketing reason" that they charge for MainStage 2.2. Not sure what to read into that, but Apple are sticking to making Studio owners pay for the MAS upgrade.

:(

Interesting that they released the 9.1.7 patch for the shrinkwrapped version of Logic Studio as of March 27th, but no MainStage updates.

Yes, what they have written there is wrong. I had a long back and forth with one of the tech staff and his last word was that Brilliance Pack does in fact fail installation, and in order to get it to POSSIBLY work you have to load it in an unorthodox way. He said they are working on fixing and could not offer a date as to when it would be completed.

The least they could do is update their compatibility page, but the last time I looked they still hadn't.
 
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