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Old Nov 7, 2012, 12:16 AM   #26
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Dell Ultrasharp series have always been amazing for me. I use a color calibrator every two to three weeks to counter the drift.

If you don't have a hardware color calibrator like the Spyder or Huey, you can't get serious color profiles generated.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 12:38 AM   #27
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agreed, however two of the four displays i have tried (dell and HP) have been IPS displays. And all 4 have been glossy (not a matte fan)
Somehow I missed this post. The coating is usually where people complain about a grainy look. I never really favored the way LG does their coatings. It's just that they're basically what is available. Anyway, in that case check the profile on the washed out issue. It may be selecting the colorlcd one, which is slightly weird in its behavior.


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Washed out, grainy,not even close color balance. So far I have tried models from HP,Dell,Samsung and LG and they all have been unacceptable.

So before my local best buy starts avoiding me, can anyone suggest a decent display?

I'd like to stay in the $300 or less range and it needs to be HDMI, otherwise I'm back in iMac category in total cost.

PS: All 4 of the monitors i have tried have exhibited the intermittent black screen issue
Is it assigning the default Colorlcd profile in colorsync or is it custom loading a generic one labeled with the display model name? The colorlcd profile may be in poor alignment with the actual properties of the display you've plugged in. In terms of being grainy, you're talking about matte coatings. Apple used them for years. They do work. The lamination process Apple is using on the retina macbook pros and supposedly the new imacs is the first credible alternative. Some of the non LG panel coatings used by Eizo and NEC in the past were a bit better, but these are nothing new. I'm surprised you've never seen it.

It's hard to know exactly what you're perceiving here. Most of your complaints are probably due to the display finish. Matte coatings do affect transmission and and attempt to scatter reflected light rays. You're being a bit dramatic though. In color critical workflows where you want the best display possible, people do deal with the annoying matte coatings rather than the extreme reflectivity of the Apple displays. They aren't the first ones to ditch anti-glare, but it comes down to preference.

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Interesting, the Dell i tried was a s2440L which is the 24 inch model. Physically it was by far the nicest looking with a glass (plastic) covering over the entire front of the monitor and touch screen controls.

Sadly, it was also the farthest off in terms of color. Now matter what i did on the monitor or with color sync (and yes I used advanced including trying different white points) it was too blue unless I used the warmest setting and then everything was too yellow .

And to top it off, the benq came but had obviously been dropped. The box sounded like a baby rattle. They are sending another and I also ordered a Viewsonic that someone else in the thread suggested. Both should arrive Wednesday.
That is actually weird. First of all you shouldn't be using these outside of native white point values whenever possible unless you have one with some kind of LUT based calibration (as opposed to the typical bradford matrix based profile generation). Apple's displays aside from the retina macbook pro tend to be slightly on the cold side relative to sRGB.

You should be able to use a default setting. For the most part I'd avoid the Adobe RGB displays unless you're looking at fully calibrating/profiling them. OSX doesn't always deal well with them at their stock settings. Make sure colorsync didn't assign a weird profile to it. It will typically auto load something display specific. I haven't liked anything by Viewsonic in a long time. Some of their older CRTs were passable, but they've always been somewhat of a second rate brand.

There is one thing I need to mention here. Do not use the colorsync calibration tools. Those things shouldn't even be there. They aren't adequate for overall control. They just confuse people who don't know what they're doing without providing a real solution for anything. Either use presets or buy a colorimeter to reprofile if it's just slightly off. That stupid colorsync tool should have been removed years ago. In terms of profiles, you have the portion that describes the device, and the part that modifies instructions to attempt to match the desired output behavior. The colorsync tool is not adequate for either of these things. It attempts to remap gamma in the most idiotic way possible. Just do not touch it.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:11 AM   #28
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Found a resource for profiles that helped quite a bit for getting a better image.

It was good enough for the dell s2440, which I had not returned yet to produce a decent image.

I reset the monitor to factory defaults, installed the profile from the site and was mostly good to go. As they noted in the review (same site) out of the box the monitor brightness is way too high. I hope this helps someone

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...m#the_database

PS: Even though the dell is an IPS type display, you need to be dead on axis viewing it or it picks up a warm color cast
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:25 AM   #29
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I assume that most people know by now that the number one problem when connecting minis to monitors via HDMI is that the monitor is detected as a TV, and that you need to switch the monitor to PC mode (also known as disabling overscan). That's the cause of the washed out colors and fuzzy text.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:50 AM   #30
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I assume that most people know by now that the number one problem when connecting minis to monitors via HDMI is that the monitor is detected as a TV, and that you need to switch the monitor to PC mode (also known as disabling overscan). That's the cause of the washed out colors and fuzzy text.
Wow, if this is true, it's important to know.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:18 AM   #31
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I assume that most people know by now that the number one problem when connecting minis to monitors via HDMI is that the monitor is detected as a TV, and that you need to switch the monitor to PC mode (also known as disabling overscan). That's the cause of the washed out colors and fuzzy text.
Interesting information especially as it applies to my monitor Dell S2440L. As i posted above, finding the right color profile helped a lot but i still have the grainy text.

In the display control panel it shows the mac detecting a tv connected and thus has the overscan adjustment slider. It does this either directly connected via HDMI or through minidisplayport to HDMI adapter. There is no option to change it either on the mac or on dell display (that I can find)

Unfortunately, and I'm sure to cut costs, the only connectors on the monitor are VGA and HDM, no other options.
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Old Nov 13, 2012, 07:39 PM   #32
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The displays are not the problem. It is the HDMI/Intel HD4000 of your Mac Mini.

If you tested so much monitor models and they had all a bad screen output, you should know the problem was the Mac Mini. People even said it was a HDMI issue and you still was not thinking about replacing your Mac Mini?

Why not a displayport display? They are not expensive at all.
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Old Nov 13, 2012, 08:57 PM   #33
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Why not buy a used 24" cinema display? They can be bought for $400.
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Old Nov 13, 2012, 08:59 PM   #34
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No.

There are PC monitors out there that make the Thunderbolt display look like crap.

You just need to pay for them.
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Old Nov 13, 2012, 09:10 PM   #35
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No.

There are PC monitors out there that make the Thunderbolt display look like crap.

You just need to pay for them.
No,
Display quality is all the same with different digital inputs. (Except faulty HD4000/hdmi)

This link: http://tweakers.net/categorie/344/mo...7lpp6YN3Ujr5Ru

Shows all the high quality ips, s-ips and h-ips monitors with Displayport ranging from low to high price. Just find reviews and you know enough. (This link show the prices in euro's, but you get a fair idea what the price is.)

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 01:48 AM   #36
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Display quality is all the same with different digital inputs. (Except faulty HD4000/hdmi)
I was more referring to the fact that there are specialist non apple monitors out there with vastly improved colour gamut and resolution over any consumer grade monitor if you are willing to pay for it.

e.g., various IBM / Toshiba / etc models supporting 3840x2400 or higher resolution...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/02/t...00-resolution/
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 10:40 AM   #37
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I have the Acer P244w, and think it's a pretty good monitor. I have my non-Apple computer and Mac Mini hooked up to it with an KVM switch.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 10:50 AM   #38
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Why not buy a used 24" cinema display? They can be bought for $400.
They aren't that great. They were okay at their time, but the aging problems suck. A lot of 24" imacs had image persistence issues. You should be able to find something better new, and the 24" wouldn't solve the hdmi problem anyway. The last point is that if the OP doesn't like anti-glare coatings for some reason (he mentioned text feeling grainy) this has one. There's really no upside to that option, and they shouldn't really take $400 these days anyway. They shouldn't be more than $200 considering their age.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 12:22 PM   #39
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Also glossy screens always produce better image quality than matte.

Matte screens even with IPS have a grainy/fuzzy look to them when they are on a white background.....Glossy screens are crystal clear without that fuzzy grain.
Good quality matte displays do not have a grainy/fuzzy look. Check out NEC and Eizo displays. Apple's matte displays have a particularly smooth matte surface. NEC displays are an excellent value and top-notch quality with around 50 models to choose from.
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I've got a pair of $159 Acer 23" LCD monitors on my desk and I find them VERY acceptable for work/surfing/gaming/etc.
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