Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Apple Systems and Services > Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:20 PM   #1
Rover-dude
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Virtual Machine vs. Boot Camp

Hello all,
Soon I will be installing Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro, I need Windows for some classes I am taking.

So, as I have been looking into it, I will either use https://www.virtualbox.org/ or Boot Camp. So which is better?

About 4 years ago, a IT guy for my mom's company helped me install XP using VM Ware Fusion, but my system ran SOOOO slow when XP was running, so I now have: 2.2GHz Intel Core i7 and 4GB of memory.

So Boot Camp or VirtualBox? Oh, and which would be better if I want to eventually install say Windows 8 or Linux?

Thanks!
__________________
Remember, remember, The Fifth of November, Gunpowder treason and plot; For I see no reason
Why Gunpowder Treason Should ever be forgot.
Rover-dude is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:24 PM   #2
\-V-/
macrumors 65816
 
\-V-/'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover-dude View Post
Hello all,
Soon I will be installing Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro, I need Windows for some classes I am taking.

So, as I have been looking into it, I will either use https://www.virtualbox.org/ or Boot Camp. So which is better?

About 4 years ago, a IT guy for my mom's company helped me install XP using VM Ware Fusion, but my system ran SOOOO slow when XP was running, so I now have: 2.2GHz Intel Core i7 and 4GB of memory.

So Boot Camp or VirtualBox? Oh, and which would be better if I want to eventually install say Windows 8 or Linux?

Thanks!
Your new Mac should have zero issues running Windows. I would suggest using VMware Fusion or Parallels to run Windows inside OS X instead of Virtual Box. There's nothing wrong with VB... it's great... but it requires a little more fudging than the other two apps... at least from my experience.

If you do go the VM route... I would put at least 8 GB of RAM in your computer... makes things a little more friendly when running two OS's simultaneously.

If you use Boot Camp... I would suggest keeping a full backup of your computer... as I have... on several occasions... had my main partition corrupted in the process or corrupted after a month or so of dual booting. Not always... but it's happened enough to be extra cautious. You should be keeping a backup of your stuff anyway, but it's just something to keep in mind.
__________________
There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide.
\-V-/ is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:33 PM   #3
LeandrodaFL
macrumors 6502a
 
LeandrodaFL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
You alwaus use bootcamp. Apple should kill these virutalization applications for putting doubts int he consumer head. Bootcamp take full advantage of the hardware and it doenst slow your machine. You last machine was slow because of virtualization
LeandrodaFL is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 20, 2012, 08:28 PM   #4
JoelBC
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover-dude View Post
Hello all,
Soon I will be installing Windows 7 on my MacBook Pro, I need Windows for some classes I am taking.

So, as I have been looking into it, I will either use https://www.virtualbox.org/ or Boot Camp. So which is better?

About 4 years ago, a IT guy for my mom's company helped me install XP using VM Ware Fusion, but my system ran SOOOO slow when XP was running, so I now have: 2.2GHz Intel Core i7 and 4GB of memory.

So Boot Camp or VirtualBox? Oh, and which would be better if I want to eventually install say Windows 8 or Linux?

Thanks!
I am new to virtualization...I read through the first 50+ pages of the VirtualBox manual and was up and running in no time...I have 4GB of RAM on my machine -- it is a little long in the toothe -- but it has no problems running either Windows 7 or Windows 8 with just 1 GB of RAM allocated to it.

I have also read through the Parallels manual but have not tried it because it is not free, what can I say, as I wanted to test / try virtualization...I would say the following:

1. VirtualBox has less features than Parallels [i.e. is less seamless] but does everything you could want it to do and is simpler -- in my view -- to use. I think it would be hard not to be happy with VirtualBox.

2. Parallels is more feature rich but with that comes a steeper learning curve to real avail oneself of its power.

The other nice thing about VirtualBox is that it is multi-platform so should you know how to use it in a Mac host environment then you could run into in a Windows host environment, etc.

To me I will now always run virtual machines because they have uses...as an example, I will run a VM of OS Mountain because I can try things within the VMs without destroying my native install.

I hope this helps,


Joel
JoelBC is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 22, 2012, 11:13 AM   #5
paolol61
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Tuscany, Italy
I been working with VM from the last 6 years, and had no problem at all, if you need it for game go with BootCamp, if not any VM can do a good job Parallel and Fusion have more features and ( as you pay for ) have support and little better performance.
The good of VM is that youn can play on the safe side , install all you like and if you don't like it go back to square one in a second
Only one think , if you have the money get 8G of ram and give the Vm 3-4 G all will be running much faster.
paolol61 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 22, 2012, 11:15 AM   #6
HE15MAN
macrumors 6502a
 
HE15MAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Florida's Treasure Coast
Virtual Box works nicely for us
HE15MAN is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 25, 2012, 12:10 AM   #7
murphychris
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeandrodaFL View Post
You alwaus use bootcamp. Apple should kill these virutalization applications for putting doubts int he consumer head. Bootcamp take full advantage of the hardware and it doenst slow your machine. You last machine was slow because of virtualization
This is bad advice, and bad spelling.

"Boot Camp" includes a CSM-BIOS which limits the hardware capability. Unless you figure out how to install and boot an OS in EFI mode, you aren't getting full ACPI and AHCI support from the hardware. There are reasons to use VM and reasons to boot natively. Booting natively does get you some performance benefits that you mostly see in GPU intensive tasks like games, but for most all other tasks a VM will have decent performance but be vastly simpler to setup and maintain, without the GPT - hybrid MBR baggage that comes with Boot Camp.
murphychris is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 25, 2012, 12:57 AM   #8
defender
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Why not have the best of both worlds, create your boot camp partition then let VMware run it as a virtual machine. Trust me, having to reboot into windows just to run a couple of apps will soon get tedious. Best to have windows available while in your mac!
__________________
Giant Chicken
defender is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 25, 2012, 01:55 AM   #9
murphychris
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by defender View Post
Why not have the best of both worlds, create your boot camp partition then let VMware run it as a virtual machine.
What's the advantage of putting Windows on a partition instead of in a virtual disk? I can only think of numerous disadvantages to the dedicated partition approach.
murphychris is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 25, 2012, 07:58 PM   #10
defender
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by murphychris View Post
What's the advantage of putting Windows on a partition instead of in a virtual disk? I can only think of numerous disadvantages to the dedicated partition approach.
There is only one advantage as far as I can see, and thats dedicated graphics in your windows. If you want to game, it sucks in VMWare.

If you have no need for gaming, no point in bootcamp.
__________________
Giant Chicken
defender is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 25, 2012, 09:25 PM   #11
MJL
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Using a hybrid partition scheme (as when required having Windows on the same HDD or -please avoid like the plague- on a SSD) is asking for trouble. The slightest mistake and you loose both installs.

In my case I am running a Mac mini server with Mountain Lion on the 500Gb HDD and Windows on the 120Gb SSD. (both are internal) It has been stable for over a long time, is easy to restore and maintain. On this moment I am building up a 2011 base Mac mini that I got on close out and am replacing the HDD with a SSD and adding more memory. The internal HDD will go in an external case for booting into OS X and imaging the (internal SSD) Windows partition.

Last edited by MJL; Nov 25, 2012 at 09:47 PM.
MJL is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2012, 10:38 AM   #12
guklein
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
I will use rarely windows in my iMac (no games).

In this case what is recommended, BootCamp or Virtual Machine? I just have a Windows XP (old one from 2005).

Thanks!

Last edited by guklein; Nov 26, 2012 at 11:17 AM.
guklein is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2012, 10:50 AM   #13
Wardenski
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
I find in Virtual Box, Windows 7 runs much worse if I give it more than one core. It struggles to do anything 3D and the GUI is often sluggish. It works well if I give it 1 core.
Wardenski is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2012, 04:26 PM   #14
Rover-dude
Thread Starter
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJL View Post
Using a hybrid partition scheme (as when required having Windows on the same HDD or -please avoid like the plague- on a SSD) is asking for trouble. The slightest mistake and you loose both installs.
So, are you saying it would be better to have the Windows install on another hard drive? Because I have a 1TB external drive I could use for the Windows install. (As long as Mac can boot Windows from the drive)
__________________
Remember, remember, The Fifth of November, Gunpowder treason and plot; For I see no reason
Why Gunpowder Treason Should ever be forgot.
Rover-dude is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2012, 10:29 PM   #15
MJL
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover-dude View Post
So, are you saying it would be better to have the Windows install on another hard drive? Because I have a 1TB external drive I could use for the Windows install. (As long as Mac can boot Windows from the drive)
Windows cannot boot from an external drive, OS X can. I have in my Mac mini server two drives - the SSD with WIndows and the 500 Gb HDD OS X.

Am going to use a 2011 base Mac mini with a SSD internally for Windows and will be using externally the old 500 GB with OSX to run OSX for backing up the windows partition. I am running windows (business) 24/5 and in the weekend OS X.
MJL is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > Apple Systems and Services > Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC