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Old Aug 13, 2013, 11:04 AM   #26
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This will only drive these security tech companies out of the US. The US government is looking more and more like China every day.

If they are toppling these email companies over so easily, imagine what they have done to Microsoft, Apple, and Google. I wouldn't consider anything on your personal computer safe unless you have access to the source code for the underlying OS.
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Old Aug 13, 2013, 12:31 PM   #27
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This will only drive these security tech companies out of the US. The US government is looking more and more like China every day.

If they are toppling these email companies over so easily, imagine what they have done to Microsoft, Apple, and Google. I wouldn't consider anything on your personal computer safe unless you have access to the source code for the underlying OS.
This is where Linux and FreeBSD come in.

Plus, add in GnuPG and TrueCrypt, and you're then down to the government forcing you to give up your passwords for anything/everything. And since that is a violation of both the 1st and 4th Amendments (affirmed by the courts), that will be a hard thing for any government, let alone the US government to get over, Patriot Act included.

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Old Aug 13, 2013, 12:50 PM   #28
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Hate to say it - but with the way things are looking it wouldn't shock me to see the govt crack down on encrypting in the coming years, similar to some "other" countries the US demonizes.

I have a feeling it'll get to the point if you have some 4096-bit encrypted file and the govt thinks it contains something - the mere fact it is so highly encrypted will be used as evidence against you.
You do realize any encryption keys sold the public have to cleared by No Such Agency (look it up if you don't believe me) before it is released to the US public. Plus both in the USA & U.K. courts have said you must give up passwords to courts when being charged.
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I have a feeling it'll get to the point if you have some 4096-bit encrypted file and the govt thinks it contains something - the mere fact it is so highly encrypted will be used as evidence against you.
On a lighter note, this makes me want to encrypt in 4096-bit a thousand folders with Rick Roll videos in them, and share them over Torrent, Tor and Lavabit. While their supercomputers are cracking that, at least they won't be doing evil.
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You do realize any encryption keys sold the public have to cleared by No Such Agency (look it up if you don't believe me) before it is released to the US public. Plus both in the USA & U.K. courts have said you must give up passwords to courts when being charged.
Not sure where you got this from, but neither are true. First, you do not have to sell encryption keys in the US. With programs like the aforementioned PGP and GnuPG, they are freely available, especially if they give you the power to create the keys on your own.

As for the court issue, I'll find the articles that show the opposite of what you are stating when I get back on. But they actually carry the precedent, alongside the previously mentioned Wikipedia article that states that cryptography programs like PGP and GnuPG are protected by the 1st and 6th Amendments.

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