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Old Mar 30, 2013, 08:07 AM   #26
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I blame the environmentalists, lead free solder is crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_(metallurgy)

Either way I'm leaning towards getting the 13" MacBook Pro probably Retina, too.

I'm also spending $400 to fix the MBA Logic board (solder re-flow).
I would suggest your being conned
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Old Mar 30, 2013, 08:11 AM   #27
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Apple computers in general are more durable than any other brand, the Air being no exception.
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Old Mar 30, 2013, 11:30 AM   #28
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I have the 2009 11 air and its still going strong.
Do you have a prototype or something?

I've had the 11" air since it came out in late 2010, and its still going strong.
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Old Mar 30, 2013, 05:20 PM   #29
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Do you have a prototype or something?

I've had the 11" air since it came out in late 2010, and its still going strong.
sorry meant 2010. The duo core one.
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Old Mar 31, 2013, 01:57 PM   #30
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I've spilt a Red Bull on my keyboard, and dropped my MBA from 3-4 feet onto concrete twice and I've had 0 problems other than a little dent on the corner.

As far as hardware goes, it's really not better or worse than anything else. If you're looking at it from (will this serve my purposes in 4-5 years) I think it depends on those purposes. at 256 SSD, 1.7 i5, and 4gb ram, my air serves me perfectly, and has since I bought it July 2011.
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Old Mar 31, 2013, 11:43 PM   #31
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Apple computers in general are more durable than any other brand, the Air being no exception.
Well they must just hate me then, right?

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How is a retina macbook pro made to last longer than a MBA?
Bigger is usually better, isn't it?
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Old Apr 7, 2013, 01:35 AM   #32
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This is a pretty impressive demonstration for the durability of an Air.

They completely abuse the pulp out of it, freeze, it bake it drop it, spill a full glass of water on it, still turned on after the water spill, but killed the battery.

I am just wondering the few who have had failures, were they dropped ?
even multiple times ?

I have a 2011 Air and a 2012 13" air, also have a 2006 MPB, works fine, bought it used, made sure it didn't have any dents= dropped etc, heck thats now 7 yrs old.
It does not take much water to destroy an air. The motherboard components are unprotected and the water goes right through the keyboard.

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I agree that any machine, which solders all critical components on one logic board is quite prone to catastrophic failure/costly repairs.

On the other hand, I disagree with the praise you shovel onto other brands.

It's true that lenovo's have "fluid channels", so that liquids are supposed to run through the machine, but that's plain bs in real world scenarios. The most the machine is able to channel without seepage into internal components is about a tablespoon. Also, if you dip a glass of water on the table, chances are your machine is screwed, as it does not stand high enough off the table.

In my experience, real thinkpads (read IBM) are quite sturdy, but no way near indestructible, most lenovo designs are far less sturdy. Fact of the matter is that laptops simply are not baseball bats.

Regarding the OP's point: Sure, MBA's have some design compromises, which render them more prone to failure, while OTOH, they have less moving parts.
On the whole, I'd say: "MBA's have less component failures than MBP's, but MBP's allow you to replace the broken components easier."

RGDS,
If you're talking about Lenovo Ideapad/new crap, correct. It's as bad as the $324 + tax Toshibas/HPs in Best Buy.

If you're talking Lenovo's Thinkpad T series... these are as indestructible as the IBM days. Throw some water into one and see for yourself. The entire board is covered in protective tape anywhere that water can land, it slides right off and goes under the machine before it can actually get to crucial motherboard components.
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Old Apr 7, 2013, 02:04 AM   #33
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Mine are both solid as rocks, practically indestructible given reasonable protection in a BookBook case. I do turn mine off when not in use.

My experience with Macs has been that MBAs are no more or less fragile than my MB Pro which is built like a tank as well. It is Mac's build quality that helps to differentiate them from the very fragile Toshiba, Gateway, and HP laptops I have worn through.
In what world toshibas are fragile ? Those brand can probably survive a drop with no issues while the aluminum macs are going to fall pretty damm hard.

Anyway in regards of the OP my mba have been very reliable with no issues so far, its the 2011 base model fwiw plus my other mbp and previous mac have been legit blame it on bad luck i guess.

Btw i consider myself a machine abuser and the weather well i live in the caribbean.
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Old Apr 7, 2013, 03:40 AM   #34
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I've been using my MBA 2010 model for years now, hours a day. Many hours of Diablo 3 and WoW. Still runs like a champ. The only issue I've had is the idiotically designed power cable, that frays at multiple points. I duct taped them, but it still looks bad. For the price Apple charges for the power cables (80 bucks), you'd think they'd have the decency to build them well.
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Old Apr 7, 2013, 08:07 PM   #35
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I have a 2010 C2D MBA still ticking away as my main computer. I travel extensively and it goes into some challenging locations. Does a great job.


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I've been using my MBA 2010 model for years now, hours a day. Many hours of Diablo 3 and WoW. Still runs like a champ. The only issue I've had is the idiotically designed power cable, that frays at multiple points. I duct taped them, but it still looks bad. For the price Apple charges for the power cables (80 bucks), you'd think they'd have the decency to build them well.
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Old Apr 7, 2013, 08:57 PM   #36
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Hey now, I wouldnt dismiss the physical integrity of an Air so easily. Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_0CN-12npY
very impressive, but id have liked to see a keyboard test. a friend of mine had a 2009 air that took a drink to the keyboard, it worked on mains power once we took the back off and unplugged the battery but the keyboard didnt fully work so he had to use an external one
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 12:35 AM   #37
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They say Ford is "built to last", but that car gave me so many problems that I call it FORD (Fix Or Repair Daily).

I don't think it will die, but it will take longer and longer to run the same program, and it will show it's sign of age in that way.
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Old Apr 12, 2013, 06:34 AM   #38
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...but it will take longer and longer to run the same program, and it will show it's sign of age in that way.
Electronics are not like people, electronics do not slow down with age.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 01:27 AM   #39
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My old MBA has been repaired (logic board). FINALLY!
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 12:18 PM   #40
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Personally I think a pro and an ipad are more useful than a single Air. Depends on use of course.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 01:01 PM   #41
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hat car gave me so many problems that I call it FORD (Fix Or Repair Daily).
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My Macbook Air gets jumbled and bounced and keeps on chugging along. Wouldn't trade it for anything. For the uses I had in mind, it is perfect.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 02:09 PM   #42
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Personally I think a pro and an ipad are more useful than a single Air. Depends on use of course.
We're discussing the physical attributes and longevity of the Air here, not whether its a useful computer.
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