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Old Oct 6, 2013, 10:40 AM   #26
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And another example of the anti-gun sentiment...I guess cops are bad too now. It's for the children!!!! We wouldn't want them to be safe, or anything like that...

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23...t-school-asked



And is this an isolated event?...hah! I cannot even say how many colleagues of mine have heard similar things. People whom are military and LE...our finest...being told that because their profession deals with firearms that they aren't welcome in today's politically correct world. One of my closest friends was called a, "baby killer" in front of his daughter by a school administrator after the administrator asked him to not wear clothes that established he was US military and he asked her if she had a problem with the Armed Forces...nice lady.
Ridiculous. Not like this is a new thing though. That happened to thousands of soldiers returning home during the Vietnam war.
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Old Oct 6, 2013, 10:51 AM   #27
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One of my closest friends was called a, "baby killer" in front of his daughter by a school administrator after the administrator asked him to not wear clothes that established he was US military and he asked her if she had a problem with the Armed Forces...nice lady.
Classic...

A few years ago I went on a humanitarian mission to SE Asia with the US military. We used a Navy Hospital ship and civilians were allowed aboard.

One lady went on and on about how she was surrounded by "baby killers". You want to guess how pleasant her voyage was?

She didn't care, her opinions on the matter were more important to her than the people around her.
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Old Oct 6, 2013, 04:35 PM   #28
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Classic...

A few years ago I went on a humanitarian mission to SE Asia with the US military. We used a Navy Hospital ship and civilians were allowed aboard.

One lady went on and on about how she was surrounded by "baby killers". You want to guess how pleasant her voyage was?

She didn't care, her opinions on the matter were more important to her than the people around her.
To some people, anything LE or military related is simply negative and emotionally-motivated insults are more important than seeking the truth or getting to know the people involved. A lot of times it seems people as such have major issues with authority (probably why they aren't military or LE...).

I can understand people being against war...in most situations, I most certainly am too. But there is a difference in being against war and treating our finest like dirt, which some people don't see.

And how some school administrators would not want police/military dropping their kids off and being unwelcoming to their presence...well, that's just beyond me. The people who are going to run into a school shooting, run at a shooter, and potentially lose their lives in order to save others without even thinking twice...well, that will be the LEOs, military, and first responders that these school officials treat absolutely terribly and show zero respect towards their public service.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 02:09 PM   #29
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And how some school administrators would not want police/military dropping their kids off and being unwelcoming to their presence...well, that's just beyond me.
Really? Being surrounded by armed guards all the time wouldn't make you feel at all uncomfortable?

I don't want military people with guns in my personal space unless there's something going on that needs them right then and there, and that goes double for cops. Especially cops; they're dangerous to interact with.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 02:22 PM   #30
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NRA will be all over this.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 02:22 PM   #31
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Even a PC-lovin', pacifist-commie-liberal like myself thinks this takes things too far.

We don't need Zero Tolerance, we need Reasonable Tolerance.

That however, is the hardest kind of tolerance to come by these days.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 02:48 PM   #32
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He shouldn't have been suspended... but it could have been worse. This could have not been a gun-free zone and he might have gotten shot or something.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 02:50 PM   #33
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He shouldn't have been suspended... but it could have been worse. This could have not been a gun-free zone and he might have gotten shot or something.
Unlikely, but he could have had somebody's eye out with that finger. You can't be too careful.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 03:01 PM   #34
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Unlikely, but he could have had somebody's eye out with that finger. You can't be too careful.
He had a deadly weapon with him, Officer ...
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 03:05 PM   #35
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He had a deadly weapon with him, Officer ...
...and he was pointing it right at me. It was life or death.
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Reasonable Tolerance.
What's that??
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...and he was pointing it right at me. It was life or death.
Sadly I do believe someone would make that excuse, and maybe it would be accepted by the authority.
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Old Oct 7, 2013, 03:30 PM   #38
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Should have crushed the teachers head! Don't worry skunk, if you see someone crushing your head-just run through traffic really fast to get away!
Now, if Pai Mei (kill bill Vol 2) comes at you with some pointy fingers-run like all h3ll!!!!

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Old Oct 7, 2013, 04:19 PM   #39
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Not sure what all that is about.
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Old Oct 8, 2013, 06:02 AM   #40
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I must be pretty lucky. I took my mail with me to pick up my kid from school. During my visit, while waiting impatiently in the car, I used my finger as a very sharp knife and I have to tell ya, I sliced right through those sealed envelopes like they were butter!! I mean, seriously...ripped right through the seals as if the finger actually WAS a knife. Dangerous stuff and I do NOT recommend you try it at home. After all, mail is dangerous and doing anything to mimic a sharp object in order to open that mail could be grounds for arrest in knife free zones.

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Old Oct 9, 2013, 06:54 PM   #41
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I'm sure each side has a story. However, if you have a kid running around school pretend shooting other kinds with his finger gun, and is told to stop, and he does not stop he should be disciplined. I have no idea if this happened, but there should have been an opportunity to warn the child and go from there before suspension comes into play.
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Really? Being surrounded by armed guards all the time wouldn't make you feel at all uncomfortable?

I don't want military people with guns in my personal space unless there's something going on that needs them right then and there, and that goes double for cops. Especially cops; they're dangerous to interact with.
Just wow to the cops comment. A white supremacist I once interviewed told me Black people (he didn't use that term, tho) "will get you killed". Your comment says to me that the same thought process is involved...similar levels of sweeping stereotypes based on completely untrue information, or blame assessed for one's personal issues to pass the buck. Do certain races, lifestyles, genders, choices of work clothes, ethnic-cultural backgrounds, and religions also make you feel endangered by default without knowing a single detail about the individuals?

There aren't many people who will jump in front of danger to save you or your loved ones from a bad guy at the expense of them sacrificing their own life to save yours. There aren't many people who would fight for your freedom despite the personal rewards being about as minimal as they could be. And I highly doubt you would do it for a stranger or for your love of country based on what you said. Luckily, you don't have to because there are other members of society willing to do so.

And the men and women comprising the Armed-Forces generally don't carry guns in terms of their work in civilian life. They weren't carrying guns when they were told things from school administrators. Just in uniform. Just honest, moral people dropping their children off whom were victims of the misdirected anger and the bigotry that LE, military, and first responders are frequently exposed to.
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