Why is wireless charging considered a selling point?

[onthecouchagain]

Originally Posted by Irishman

This is what I had in mind when I was posting about what I hoped Apple would do with regard to wireless charging - make it TRULY wireless to the device.

Check this out. There's a startup called WiTricity, made up of some very smart people from MIT, who did just that in 2007.

This macrumors link from 2011 came about because Apple said they were experimenting with "a new way of charging" their iPhone. http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/11/...less-charging/

Also, there is a link in the page to a TED Talk from 2009, where the CEO of Witricity demoed it on three phones, one of them being an iPhone.

THIS is innovation. This is the promise of wireless charging done right.

"Apple describes a scenario where your iMac could be the source of this resonance power to provide a virtual charging area in front of your computer."

I think this is great but to use apple's and your own argument, if it uses the imac to generate the charging, isn't the imac connected to the power outlet?

Therefore not truly wireless? You were quick to point out wireless charging pads require a plug but fail to point out so does the imac.

Again I think this is cool and look forward to the day I spoke of in my other post, where one can walk into a room or even a house and your device is automatically charging. Just pointing out, once again, your lack of consistency.

Besides, when would we see this? And if the imac is the only way to do it, that's awfully expensive.

[zone23]

Love the wireless charging on the DNA definitely a "feature". You can always not use the wireless charging. I can still charge my phone via the USB cable like always. As discussed wireless charging has a standard you don't need a "special" base to charge it. Its nice to just walk into the bed room at night and not have to fumble around in the dark looking for my USB cable, then figure out which way to plug it in. I can just set the phone down and bingo its charging. Want to look at it just pick it up no cable. I have one on my desk at the office too. I like it, I like it a lot.. BTW it will charge through a case as well.


If Apple adds it, it WILL be the greatest thing EVER. It will also be like it NEVER existed. Apple invented wireless charging is what all the iPhone people will think.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by Greg.

It's a massive gimmick at the moment. I want it to reach the level where I can just place my phone on my desk anywhere and it'll start charging. Now that'd be awesome.

How about just walking into the room?

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

"Apple describes a scenario where your iMac could be the source of this resonance power to provide a virtual charging area in front of your computer."

I think this is great but to use apple's and your own argument, if it uses the imac to generate the charging, isn't the imac connected to the power outlet?

Therefore not truly wireless? You were quick to point out wireless charging pads require a plug but fail to point out so does the imac.

Again I think this is cool and look forward to the day I spoke of in my other post, where one can walk into a room or even a house and your device is automatically charging. Just pointing out, once again, your lack of consistency.

Besides, when would we see this? And if the imac is the only way to do it, that's awfully expensive.

Whatever "it" is, it will have to plug into something at some point.

I did carefully say wireless to the device.

[onthecouchagain]

Originally Posted by Irishman

How about just walking into the room?

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Whatever "it" is, it will have to plug into something at some point.

I did carefully say wireless to the device.

Then what is your issue with current wireless charging pads? They're wireless to the device too.

I hate to say it yet again, but this is so clearly a double standard. Other companies do wireless charging, and you take up issue with the fact that it still requires a plug to the charging mat, but when Apple does charging, only with a desktop instead of a pad, you have no issue with the fact that it too requires a plug.

[jrswizzle]

Originally Posted by zone23

Love the wireless charging on the DNA definitely a "feature". You can always not use the wireless charging. I can still charge my phone via the USB cable like always. As discussed wireless charging has a standard you don't need a "special" base to charge it. Its nice to just walk into the bed room at night and not have to fumble around in the dark looking for my USB cable, then figure out which way to plug it in. I can just set the phone down and bingo its charging. Want to look at it just pick it up no cable. I have one on my desk at the office too. I like it, I like it a lot.. BTW it will charge through a case as well.


If Apple adds it, it WILL be the greatest thing EVER. It will also be like it NEVER existed. Apple invented wireless charging is what all the iPhone people will think.

Quit with the flame war stereotyping and grow up....

You do realize that many of these companies implement the same "feature" in different ways....and not all of us "iPhone people" think Apple invented everything....I just prefer their implementation 9 times out of 10.

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Then what is your issue with current wireless charging pads? They're wireless to the device too.

I hate to say it yet again, but this is so clearly a double standard. Other companies do wireless charging, and you take up issue with the fact that it still requires a plug to the charging mat, but when Apple does charging, only with a desktop instead of a pad, you have no issue with the fact that it too requires a plug.

There is a difference though....

I'll start by saying I think wireless charging, while adding a small amount of convenience, is ultimately more "gimmick" than "feature".

That said, there is a large difference between wirelessly charging though a device that (1) ONLY wirelessly charges and (2) must have the phone touching it....

vs.

(1) a device which does a large variety of other tasks and (2) can charge the phone when it is "near" the device.

For me, this wouldn't really help at all being that I charge my phones overnight by my bed, but the implications are promising....it will take a few steps before we reach the "true" wireless charging of Witricity (modeled on TED talks a few years ago).

[onthecouchagain]

Originally Posted by Irishman

How about just walking into the room?

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Whatever "it" is, it will have to plug into something at some point.

I did carefully say wireless to the device.

Also, was it you that pointed out that if one is traveling, it'd be ridiculous to have to pack a wireless charging mat to bring with you to continue using wireless charging?

Because imaging carrying an iMac! Obviously you wouldn't, but again, same (if not bigger) issue.

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Originally Posted by jrswizzle

There is a difference though....

I'll start by saying I think wireless charging, while adding a small amount of convenience, is ultimately more "gimmick" than "feature".

That said, there is a large difference between wirelessly charging though a device that (1) ONLY wirelessly charges and (2) must have the phone touching it....

vs.

(1) a device which does a large variety of other tasks and (2) can charge the phone when it is "near" the device.

For me, this wouldn't really help at all being that I charge my phones overnight by my bed, but the implications are promising....it will take a few steps before we reach the "true" wireless charging of Witricity (modeled on TED talks a few years ago).

Oh, I agree. They're two very different devices. No doubt there. But Irisman's issue (and many other posters in this thread's issue) is that the wireless pad is rendered redundant because it requires a plug. Just simply pointing out, so does this future iMac, which doesn't seem as big of a concern.

Follow the thread, if you haven't already. Many posters have many concerns about the wireless charging pad, ranging from the plug, its usability while traveling, its convenience or lack thereof, inability to use it while it's on the mat, or the fact that it sometimes might still require a USB cable (like if you were at work) -- which was Irishman's main concern (we went on for pages debating this) -- but these same posters, particularly Irishamn, don't seem to have as many worries about Apple's implementation of it, which these issues would still apply.

Again, I want to stress, I think if Apple can pull off what they're saying, it'll be great. It'll be one step closer to the day I was talking about... a "WiFi-like" charging experience based on proximity.

[jrswizzle]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Also, was it you that pointed out that if one is traveling, it'd be ridiculous to have to pack a wireless charging mat to bring with you to continue using wireless charging?

Because imaging carrying an iMac! Obviously you wouldn't, but again, same (if not bigger) issue.

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Oh, I agree. They're two very different devices. No doubt there. But Irisman's issue (and many other posters in this thread's issue) is that the wireless pad is rendered redundant because it requires a plug. Just simply pointing out, so does this future iMac, which doesn't seem as big of a concern.

Follow the thread, if you haven't already. Many posters have many concerns about the wireless charging pad, ranging from the plug, its usability while traveling, its convenience or lack thereof, or the fact that it sometimes might still require a USB cable (like if you were at work) -- which was Irishman's main concern (we went on for pages debating this) -- but these same posters, particularly Irishamn, don't seem to have as many worries about Apple's implementation of it, which these issues would still apply.

Again, I want to stress, I think if Apple can pull off what they're saying, it'll be great. It'll be one step closer to the day I was talking about... a "WiFi-like" charging experience based on proximity.

Agreed - obviously an iMac would be a lot more cumbersome to travel with if you wanted to use it to charge

[onthecouchagain]

Also, if Apple is to implement their patents for induction charging docks, then it'll be a while before we see a wireless charging iMac.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/03/08/apple-...-the-contrary/

And this isn't expected until 2014. In the mean time, others are introducing and have introduced wireless charging in their

The Apple patent looks awful lot like a charging dock with a "power supply charger" AKA a wire to plug into an outlet. If they introduce this, will there still be throngs of people saying it's not really wireless?

[zone23]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

Quit with the flame war stereotyping and grow up....

You do realize that many of these companies implement the same "feature" in different ways....and not all of us "iPhone people" think Apple invented everything....I just prefer their implementation 9 times out of 10.

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There is a difference though....

I'll start by saying I think wireless charging, while adding a small amount of convenience, is ultimately more "gimmick" than "feature".

That said, there is a large difference between wirelessly charging though a device that (1) ONLY wirelessly charges and (2) must have the phone touching it....

vs.

(1) a device which does a large variety of other tasks and (2) can charge the phone when it is "near" the device.

For me, this wouldn't really help at all being that I charge my phones overnight by my bed, but the implications are promising....it will take a few steps before we reach the "true" wireless charging of Witricity (modeled on TED talks a few years ago).

I don't need you to tell me what to do... everyone knows apple invents everything.. you don't like it? TOO BAD!

[jrswizzle]

Originally Posted by zone23

I don't need you to tell me what to do... everyone knows apple invents everything.. you don't like it? TOO BAD!

Have a lovely day!

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Also, if Apple is to implement their patents for induction charging docks, then it'll be a while before we see a wireless charging iMac.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/03/08/apple-...-the-contrary/

And this isn't expected until 2014. In the mean time, others are introducing and have introduced wireless charging in their

The Apple patent looks awful lot like a charging dock with a "power supply charger" AKA a wire to plug into an outlet. If they introduce this, will there still be throngs of people saying it's not really wireless?

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If they can't get the tech into the phone, would a logical next step be to bounce the wireless charge from something like an iMac to a "dock" wirelessly than then charges the phone? Or would this be going backwards?

Just spitballing ideas here....think of a practical (read: could happen this year) way of improving upon the current inductive charging model.

[onthecouchagain]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

Have a lovely day!

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If they can't get the tech into the phone, would a logical next step be to bounce the wireless charge from something like an iMac to a "dock" wirelessly than then charges the phone? Or would this be going backwards?

Just spitballing ideas here....think of a practical (read: could happen this year) way of improving upon the current inductive charging model.

That'd be pretty cool, I suppose. It'd be like a wireless router (again, the WiFi analogy).

What I imagine would be cool is if Apple could create something like the Airport Express, that instead of shooting out WiFi, shoots out magnetic charging or whatever it is that can charge devices within a certain proximity/range.

That's probably a while away, but that'd be one step closer to charging inside a room. And just like WiFi and router technology, over time, the range will get increasingly farther, and the "signal" increasingly stronger, thus allowing you to charge faster and/or charge multiple devices equally quickly (again, just like WiFi on multiple devices. If only one device is in the room, that'll charge quicker. If you have people over, and there are multiple devices in range, the charge will be divided up, and they'll all charge evenly, but slower).

[jrswizzle]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

That'd be pretty cool, I suppose. It'd be like a wireless router (again, the WiFi analogy).

What I imagine would be cool is if Apple could create something like the Airport Express, that instead of shooting out WiFi, shoots out magnetic charging or whatever it is that can charge devices within a certain proximity/range.

That's probably a while away, but that'd be one step closer to charging inside a room. And just like WiFi and router technology, over time, the range will get increasingly farther, and the "signal" increasingly stronger, thus allowing you to charge faster and/or charge multiple devices equally quickly (again, just like WiFi on multiple devices. If only one device is in the room, that'll charge quicker. If you have people over, and there are multiple devices in range, the charge will be divided up, and they'll all charge evenly, but slower).

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Agreed - that'd be a great idea.....honestly, (and this is further than your idea) this could possibly be built into the existing Airport Express device....just another "feature" to add to it....

Would be really awesome.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

Agreed - that'd be a great idea.....honestly, (and this is further than your idea) this could possibly be built into the existing Airport Express device....just another "feature" to add to it....

Would be really awesome.

I agree with your agreement.

I keep reading back my post hoping it makes sense.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Then what is your issue with current wireless charging pads? They're wireless to the device too.

I hate to say it yet again, but this is so clearly a double standard. Other companies do wireless charging, and you take up issue with the fact that it still requires a plug to the charging mat, but when Apple does charging, only with a desktop instead of a pad, you have no issue with the fact that it too requires a plug.

What I said waaay back in post 109 was this: "If I were going to use wireless charging, I would expect something like either Bluetooth or Wi-Fi radios built into a normal wall wart (making it necessarily larger), but that, within a certain range (hopefully up to 30 feet for BT or 100 feet for Wifi) can charge by proximity, not by touch, or by coming within 1.5 inches.

That would be an innovative and really useful device that doesn't require us to jump through hoops to use it.

It would just work."

Which sounds very much like what you were saying yesterday. It seems like, in this instance, we agree more than we disagree.

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Then what is your issue with current wireless charging pads? They're wireless to the device too.

I hate to say it yet again, but this is so clearly a double standard. Other companies do wireless charging, and you take up issue with the fact that it still requires a plug to the charging mat, but when Apple does charging, only with a desktop instead of a pad, you have no issue with the fact that it too requires a plug.

Apple has NOT done inductive charging to a desktop. IF they do, I probably won't use it, even though I have a brand-new iMac.

My issue with the current implementations of inductive charging is that they don't simplify users' daily routine. The mat is plugged into the wall, and the phone must be laid down in contact with the mat, as opposed to a truly over-the-air solution that would just work when you're within range (like auto-discovery on a wi-fi network).

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Also, was it you that pointed out that if one is traveling, it'd be ridiculous to have to pack a wireless charging mat to bring with you to continue using wireless charging?

Because imaging carrying an iMac! Obviously you wouldn't, but again, same (if not bigger) issue.

Apple has not done wireless charging requiring an iMac. Why are you wasting energy arguing against something that doesn't exist??

[onthecouchagain]

Originally Posted by Irishman

My issue with the current implementations of inductive charging is that they don't simplify users' daily routine. The mat is plugged into the wall, and the phone must be laid down in contact with the mat, as opposed to a truly over-the-air solution that would just work when you're within range (like auto-discovery on a wi-fi network).

But the current implementation is all we have to work with. And the current implementation is more simple than plugging in a USB wire. How any one can think placing a device down vs picking up a cable and plugging it into the device is not simplifying daily routine is beyond me.

Instead, you've been moving your goal posts, changing your argument, and being obtuse. No one is arguing that walking into a room and having your device automatically charge is not better than a wireless charging mat. No one. But your issue is with the current implementation of wireless charging, which you say is not more simple for daily routine. It absolutely is. You may not like it, but placing a phone down versus plugging in a USB cable is easier. Not by much, but it is.

Originally Posted by Irishman

Apple has not done wireless charging requiring an iMac. Why are you wasting energy arguing against something that doesn't exist??

Are you being serious? You're the one that brought up and linked us to the article that talks about the Apple's potential plans for future wireless charging. The article says Apple would use an iMac.

All I'm pointing out is that your issue with current wireless charging mats (having to plug into the wall and not being truly wireless) applies equally to Apple's iMac idea.

Seriously, I'm convinced you're being intentionally obtuse. No one can be this dense.

That's it for me talking to you.

[F123D]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

But the current implementation is all we have to work with. And the current implementation is more simple than plugging in a USB wire. How any one can think placing a device down vs picking up a cable and plugging it into the device is not simplifying daily routine is beyond me.

I'd love to have a charging mat in the living room and bedroom at home. Come home and place your keys and phone down and your phone automatically starts charging. Go to bed and place it on your table/desk and it automatically charges. Pretty simple and convenient.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

But the current implementation is all we have to work with. And the current implementation is more simple than plugging in a USB wire. How any one can think placing a device down vs picking up a cable and plugging it into the device is not simplifying daily routine is beyond me.

Instead, you've been moving your goal posts, changing your argument, and being obtuse. No one is arguing that walking into a room and having your device automatically charge is not better than a wireless charging mat. No one. But your issue is with the current implementation of wireless charging, which you say is not more simple for daily routine. It absolutely is. You may not like it, but placing a phone down versus plugging in a USB cable is easier. Not by much, but it is.



Are you being serious? You're the one that brought up and linked us to the article that talks about the Apple's potential plans for future wireless charging. The article says Apple would use an iMac.

All I'm pointing out is that your issue with current wireless charging mats (having to plug into the wall and not being truly wireless) applies equally to Apple's iMac idea.

Seriously, I'm convinced you're being intentionally obtuse. No one can be this dense.

That's it for me talking to you.

You really need to back off on the caffeine, man. LOL

I try to agree with something you say, and you're not having' it! You'd rather have the argument.

Jeez!

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Originally Posted by F123D

I'd love to have a charging mat in the living room and bedroom at home. Come home and place your keys and phone down and your phone automatically starts charging. Go to bed and place it on your table/desk and it automatically charges. Pretty simple and convenient.

You can get that now. It's called the Qi.

[F123D]

Originally Posted by Irishman

You can get that now. It's called the Qi.

Didn't know I could use it with my Note II.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by F123D

Didn't know I could use it with my Note II.

They announced it at CES this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNXEnG1S1MM

[F123D]

Thanks for the video. Guess I'll have to wait a little bit longer until they integrate it into the phone or the back case. Don't think I can add even more size to this phone.

[Irishman]

Originally Posted by F123D

Thanks for the video. Guess I'll have to wait a little bit longer until they integrate it into the phone or the back case. Don't think I can add even more size to this phone.

Why? Is it thick? Or do you use a case that adds thickness to it?

[F123D]

It's the thickness and additional length it adds to the device. If you could just swap out the back cover to add this feature, I'd prefer that.

[The iGentleman]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle

I'll start by saying I think wireless charging, while adding a small amount of convenience, is ultimately more "gimmick" than "feature".

Totally disagree. There is nothing "gimmicky" about it. It is a luxury, not a necessity. That said, it is QUITE convenient, and I much rather use wireless charging than the traditional corded method. It is much easier for me to reach over and grab my phone when I wake up out of my sleep, and not have to worry about a cord reaching, or wrapping around something, etc. When I wake up in the middle of the night and roll over to check my phone, it's much easier to just pick it up, do what I need to do, and sit it back down and it start back charging. It is much easier for me to sit the phone down on my end table as I walk in the living room after coming home, and walk past and pick it up (without having to fumble with any wires). Is that necessary? No. Do I absolutely have to have it? No. Does it add to the experience of owning this phone? Absolutely. Is it very convenient? You bet it is.

[ReanimationN]

I don't care who implements it- Apple, Samsung, LG etc., I (only in my opinion) think it's a silly idea that offers a minor boost in convenience in a limited selection of situations. It would be utterly useless for me (at least in its current implementation), given how often I use my phone while it's charging, or how often I travel. If it comes to the iPhone, I won't touch it. That being said, if it is implemented in most smartphones and people like it, then that's great, it won't affect me either way though as I know I won't use it, no matter who does/doesn't implement it.