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map1978 · Dec 20, 2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ant the ninja

1. Ahh, like the oversized Apple branding on the back of the phone, smacking everyone else in the face with a giant apple anytime you pick up the phone?

2. What the problem with the charging port on the side? I never had a problem with it...its a charging port.

3. I agree with you here, they will need all the luck they can get.

1. I'm ok with branding, but it just looks out of place and oversized. The Apple logo isn't oversized and hits you in the face. Might be just looking at pics it looks that big. Maybe it'll change when carriers get the device.

2. Personal preference of course, but always found a problem holding the phone on the charger or even in the car when charging. Couldn't mount the phone in the car. Looks better on the bottom IMO.

Yujenisis · Dec 20, 2012, 01:18 PM

Anyone else think that Blackberry's specialty has always been in the hardware arena? They ruled a pre-iPhone world with an iron fist, and obviously failed to adapt to the marketplace which followed.

I can't help thinking the future for RIM is to stop trying to compete with an already crowded market on the software side, leverage their hardware expertise, and marry their best-in-class enterprise security/management with an existing OS like Android or Windows Phone?

Maybe I'm alone in that thought. But the Blackberry looks great until it turns on. I just can't imagine BB10 competing in this mobile OS market...

Dr McKay · Dec 20, 2012, 01:46 PM

Well yes of course but the browser speed is a major talking point. Average people with smart phones spend a lot of time in them.

LIVEFRMNYC · Dec 20, 2012, 01:48 PM

Nothing to see here. I found the Playbook browser to be faster and better than any other tablet I've tried, so this doesn't surprise me. This will not make any BB10 phone.

KAB2010 · Dec 20, 2012, 02:16 PM

Wirelessly posted

Anyone else bothered by the rectangle around the app icons itself? It really looks cheap to me, like something I'd see on a feature phone. Other than that BB10 looks great to me.. Just having a hard time getting past that.

F123D · Dec 20, 2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ant the ninja

Agreed. I think it may appeal to those looking for a bigger screen, I feel like all most people do is complain about the damn screen size on the iPhone. Which I think is great, in the 4s or 5. Have you seen it next to the iPhone 5? I was shocked to see how large it actually was.

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Most of that is bezel though. I can't tell for sure but height wise, they both look the same. The BB appears to be wider.

MuddyPaws1 · Dec 20, 2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ant the ninja

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No, you're right. Blackberry are the ones who have done nothing.

Gotta sorta agree here. iOS hasn't changed it's looks at all. Not that it needs to but people like me like a little change, a different look or feel with new versions of stuff. Changing the app store icon to a different shade of the same color isn't change. iOS just works but it could stand an update but I don't think we'll ever see it. Even something as small as allowing the user to put the icons wherever we want would be a nice change and makes it possibly look different even if it's still the same.

BB has changed a lot but I don't see this as a iPhone killer. I think businesses have adapted to Android and iOS based devices now and it will be difficult to bring many of them back. The local casino switched all their employees from BB to iPhones about a year and a half ago but that didn't work out for them either. They just moved them all to the Galaxy S3's. I watched a friend of mine get an alert that some machine on the floor was having a problem and then he remoted into the machine and rebooted it or something all from his S3. Pretty cool. They are also using NFC to get status info on machines they are spot checking.

onthecouchagain · Dec 20, 2012, 05:08 PM

Blackberry Z10? More like Blackberry Zzzzzzz, am I rite fellas? Huh huh?

F123D · Dec 20, 2012, 05:15 PM

To be honest, it looks interesting but I'd never buy one.

Dr McKay · Dec 20, 2012, 07:55 PM

I know this is the Alpha of BB10, bit I really hope this changes. I really don't like the look of it.

hyteckit · Dec 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MuddyPaws1

I had to chuckle a bit when I read this.

http://news.yahoo.com/blackberry-10-...145033131.html

Looks like the blackberry is running on wifi and the iphone is running on cellular 3G data.

Not sure why they didn't run a comparison off the same wifi hotspot. Kinda silly test.

b166er · Dec 20, 2012, 09:13 PM

A good chunk of the corporate world has left BB, and that is what is going to make this new version DOA. BB used to have such a massive share of the business world in their back pocket, and then they branched out to the prosumers. The iPhone was slow to be adopted by large companies, but after the app store started to blow up, it was clear BB had a problem. Then Google started making Android not suck, now we also have WP8 (which I think is pretty killer) and now companies have 4 choices where they used to only have one.

BB was great when there weren't any other good smartphones out there, but the competition is just too fierce for them these days. I used to love my BB pearl back in the day, and it had features that I am still waiting for on iOS and Android. I think pretty soon we will be reading BB's obituary though.

SlCKB0Y · Dec 20, 2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hyteckit

Looks like the blackberry is running on wifi and the iphone is running on cellular 3G data.

Not sure why they didn't run a comparison off the same wifi hotspot. Kinda silly test.

You're right, It wasn't a fair test for the BB as the iPhone had the advantage as far as connectivity is concerned... but it still lost.

iPhone using 3G directly to provider
BB connecting to WiFi hotspot connected over 3G to the same provider

All other things equal the iPhone should be quicker because it doesn't have the WiFi latency to contend with.

Still, you're right, in the interests of preventing discussions like you and I are having they should have been connected in the same manner.

hyteckit · Dec 20, 2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SlCKB0Y

You're right, It wasn't a fair test for the BB as the iPhone had the advantage as far as connectivity is concerned... but it still lost.

iPhone using 3G directly to provider
BB connecting to WiFi hotspot connected over 3G to the same provider

All other things equal the iPhone should be quicker because it doesn't have the WiFi latency to contend with.

Still, you're right, in the interests of preventing discussions like you and I are having they should have been connected in the same manner.

The hotspot has a bigger and more powerful attennae. My hotspot not only has better reception, but better latency than my cellphones. Poor reception on the cellphone increase the latency and decrease the speeds. Doesn't matter if it's connected to the same provider.

It's a stupid test. They could have easily connected both devices to the hotspot. They obviously didn't care enough to run a fair comparison test.

SlCKB0Y · Dec 20, 2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hyteckit

It's a stupid test. They could have easily connected both devices to the hotspot. They obviously didn't care enough to run a fair comparison test.

Do you think just stupid or a deliberate attempt to be misleading?

MuddyPaws1 · Dec 20, 2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hyteckit

Looks like the blackberry is running on wifi and the iphone is running on cellular 3G data.

Not sure why they didn't run a comparison off the same wifi hotspot. Kinda silly test.

Damn, I didn't even catch that. Yer right.

throAU · Dec 20, 2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ant the ninja

Everything I have seen about BB10 seems fantastic. If they had the fanbase apple did, it would be a surefire hit. I cant wait until its released.

Don't underestimate the BB fan base.

Those who owned them tend to be quite fanatical about BB teh same way apple fans are about the iphone.

they have lost market share yes, but if BB put out a decent product I have no doubt that a lot of BB diehards who had previously moved on will be back in a flash.

SlCKB0Y · Dec 21, 2012, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by throAU

Don't underestimate the BB fan base.

Those who owned them tend to be quite fanatical about BB teh same way apple fans are about the iphone.

Nah ... Blackberry fans are way more hardcore....

Technarchy · Dec 21, 2012, 07:07 AM

Not sure about the hardware but BB10 looks nice.

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Dr McKay macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kirkland	Well yes of course but the browser speed is a major talking point. Average people with smart phones spend a lot of time in them. __________________ Difficult takes a few seconds; impossible, a few minutes
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b166er macrumors 68000 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Philly	A good chunk of the corporate world has left BB, and that is what is going to make this new version DOA. BB used to have such a massive share of the business world in their back pocket, and then they branched out to the prosumers. The iPhone was slow to be adopted by large companies, but after the app store started to blow up, it was clear BB had a problem. Then Google started making Android not suck, now we also have WP8 (which I think is pretty killer) and now companies have 4 choices where they used to only have one. BB was great when there weren't any other good smartphones out there, but the competition is just too fierce for them these days. I used to love my BB pearl back in the day, and it had features that I am still waiting for on iOS and Android. I think pretty soon we will be reading BB's obituary though. __________________ Wait... I had something for this.
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Yujenisis macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2002	Anyone else think that Blackberry's specialty has always been in the hardware arena? They ruled a pre-iPhone world with an iron fist, and obviously failed to adapt to the marketplace which followed. I can't help thinking the future for RIM is to stop trying to compete with an already crowded market on the software side, leverage their hardware expertise, and marry their best-in-class enterprise security/management with an existing OS like Android or Windows Phone? Maybe I'm alone in that thought. But the Blackberry looks great until it turns on. I just can't imagine BB10 competing in this mobile OS market...
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LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 68020 Join Date: Oct 2009	Nothing to see here. I found the Playbook browser to be faster and better than any other tablet I've tried, so this doesn't surprise me. This will not make any BB10 phone.
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KAB2010 macrumors regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Louisiana	Wirelessly posted Anyone else bothered by the rectangle around the app icons itself? It really looks cheap to me, like something I'd see on a feature phone. Other than that BB10 looks great to me.. Just having a hard time getting past that.
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onthecouchagain macrumors 603 Join Date: Mar 2011	Blackberry Z10? More like Blackberry Zzzzzzz, am I rite fellas? Huh huh?
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