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Old Sep 10, 2013, 07:05 PM   #26
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I just came back from the store where I could have a look at the latest line of Macbooks. It was my first time seeing a Retina display and I have to say, WOW. Really really up close, I mean REALLY up close, this display (15") is very impressive. But when looking at it from a normal distance?

I couldn't see a difference between a Retina display and the 17" anti-glare display on my early 2011 MBP. I remember being absolutely mind blown by the quality of the display on my MBP in the first few days after I got it. I was absolutely amazed at how closely I had to look to see individual pixels. I still am. The resolution is amazing. This display absolutely kicks asses, I'm sure those who have seen it will agree.

There were also 2 Macbooks next to the one with the Retina display that had standards glossy displays. I have been greatly surprised to notice how their quality, in comparison to my 17", was absolute CRAP! What the hell? Has it always been so with glossy displays Macbooks? Or has Apple purposely downgraded their quality to make the Retina displays look better?

I was speculating that they may have retired the absolutely awesome anti-glare displays like the one on the 2011 17" MBP because they would have rendered the Retina displays almost pointless, since from a normal distance, there is no really noticeable difference.

Does anyone have a Retina display and a mate 17" display to compare from a normal viewing distance?
Does anyone have one of the latest Macbooks with a standard display and one from ~2011 to compare?

Also, there IS glare on the Retina display. I did notice it enough to think "what a waste".
There's something I should point out: The 1920x1200 matte display in the 17" MBP is amazing. That display was one of the major selling points of the 17" model. It was a TN panel, but it's one of the best performing TN panels I've ever used. I don't believe the panels in the smaller models were ever nearly as good.

About all you can expect from the rMBP is for it to maintain that color quality while increasing the ppi. You also get the advantages that IPS implies, mostly better viewing angles (+no vertical gamma shift, which is impossible to avoid even on a perfectly calibrated TN panel).

The loss of the matte option on the rMBP is kind of unfortunate. Glossy is technically going to be more accurate, but the matte is usually better if you have to work in a real world with no option of light control. It also removes a major weak point from the display: The giant plate of thin glass.
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Old Sep 11, 2013, 12:21 AM   #27
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Not only the pixel but please compare the colour. Non-Retina display are so wash-out, compare to a Retina display. Viewing angle also is much inferior.
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Old Sep 11, 2013, 02:21 AM   #28
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Just me again..

I have three of these computers, the 17" anti-glare late 2011, the 15" rMB and the glossy 17"MBP late 2011. The 17" anti-glare is premium and the ultimate in viewing comfort for excessive long periods. The glossy is something to get used to and is a joy to watch media content on it is like looking at a gem stone you know floating on top of a still, clear spring? *Giggles*

The rMB 15" and 13" screens are something else entirely, text is so sharp it really looks like it is right on the surface of the screen, though you have to be really close and near sighted to really appreciate it. At normal distances I can not tell between them and the 17" AG MBP, can not tell what so ever. In fact there is a sort of parallax effect on the 17" AG MPB and the glossy too actually, when you tilt side to side focusing your eyes on the windows, it looks like they are popping out off the LCD. I'm very observant - sorry...

So it has become my preference to also have owned the 15"rMB, sold it, now extremely happy to own the 13"rMBP because this machine is really something else, this company needs to get it right and just have a beefed up 13"RMBP and a re-introduction of a new form-factor 17"RMBP monster - seriously already. I never liked middle of the road anything, I LOVE extremes and the 13" represents total and utter personal - intimate computing while 17" represents absolute status, power and glorious joyful production house. Fifteen inch to me is - mehhhh.... Okay what ever... Meh. It feels indecisive and half effort?

Well it was super great effort to introduce the retina technology or what ever it is, to the 15" screen, very ambitious and they pulled it off, applause but, then the 13" retina screen came out and BAM - they nailed it totally.
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Old Sep 12, 2013, 08:15 AM   #29
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Respectfully disagree. I was a die-hard 17" MBP anti-glare advocate until I spent time on retina screen in 1920x1200 mode. The physical real estate may be smaller, but that retina screen very noticeably resolves small details and text much more sharply than my 17" did--from normal viewing distances.
The antiglare itself was responsible for a lot of this. The antiglare uses a diffusion panel on-top of the LCD that diffuses light both in and out, so everything becomes a little fuzzier. The 17" MBP glossy is noticeably sharper as it just puts a sheet of glass on-top. Of course then you have to deal with the reflection issue.
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The antiglare itself was responsible for a lot of this. The antiglare uses a diffusion panel on-top of the LCD that diffuses light both in and out, so everything becomes a little fuzzier. The 17" MBP glossy is noticeably sharper as it just puts a sheet of glass on-top. Of course then you have to deal with the reflection issue.
Fair enough. But I think the OP was comparing the anti-glare to the retina--and preferring the anti-glare.
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Old Sep 12, 2013, 02:28 PM   #31
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Off the top of my head I don't know exactly when the switch happened, but for a while Apple used IPS displays in its MBPs, then they went back to TN screens for all but the Retina models.

I know my 2007 MBP has an IPS screen, and I believe that technology was used in MBPs for several years before they downgraded to TN.
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Old Sep 12, 2013, 04:05 PM   #32
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Fair enough. But I think the OP was comparing the anti-glare to the retina--and preferring the anti-glare.
Yes indeed. That is baffling.
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