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Old Jan 30, 2014, 12:01 AM   #326
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1 million books were printed last year in America alone, and another 2 million were ebooks. The chances of any of us wannabe fiction authors are a million to one.
Maybe, but you can shorten the odds. It is true that sending a manuscript even to an agent let alone a publisher without doing anything to pave the way will most likely send it no further than the slush pile.

There are workshops not just in writing but also in editing (your manuscript needs to be publishable not just promising), and in publishing (what publishers and agents want, how to write a synopsis and present the work, how to identify your market etc) and in marketing and publicity (these are 2 very different things and you will need to do both as a newbie, the promo budget is likely to be slender at best).

A manuscript is more likely to be read by a publisher or agent if it comes with a recommendation ... Be prepared to pay (several hundred dollars, depending on the length) an editor, author, or manuscript assessment agency to read it.

Publish other work along the way ... Journalism, literary journals, blogs etc ... Develop a profile as a writer.
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Old Jun 3, 2014, 08:23 AM   #327
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Writer Pro is currently on sale in the iOS App store. The Mac version remains full price.
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Old Jul 4, 2014, 10:31 PM   #328
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For those who use iPad for writing, I recommend this:
ZaggKeys Pro, an excellent backlit keyboard case, the back matches silver back of my ipad4, closes with magnets, very good protection for screen when closed. Battery lasts for months and, best of all, choice of colours for lighting in keyboard ... Haha.
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Old Jul 6, 2014, 04:03 PM   #329
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On a different note: The most exciting writing app I've seen in a while is Ulysses III - check it out here

http://www.ulyssesapp.com

I use this one on my 2010 white macbook, works like a charm, never looked back at other writing software.
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Old Jul 7, 2014, 09:36 AM   #330
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I write almost all day.

For writing I use word, pages and notepad on my rmbp. Those apps are somehow enough for me.
In my office I have to use either my rmbp or winXP, where i use Word.

On my iPad I use the same apps and on my phone only MS office.

I sync between the two machines via icloud.
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Old Jul 7, 2014, 02:29 PM   #331
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I write almost all day.

For writing I use word, pages and notepad on my rmbp. Those apps are somehow enough for me.
In my office I have to use either my rmbp or winXP, where i use Word.

On my iPad I use the same apps and on my phone only MS office.

I sync between the two machines via icloud.
I still have Word 2008, but it isn't optimised for retina and very fuzzy and so I only use that when necessary.

is there a retina version yet?
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Old Jul 7, 2014, 02:48 PM   #332
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I still have Word 2008, but it isn't optimised for retina and very fuzzy and so I only use that when necessary.
is there a retina version yet?
i have office 365 and the mac version of office seems to be from 2011.
I do think that it is a bit fuzzy.
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I still have Word 2008, but it isn't optimised for retina and very fuzzy and so I only use that when necessary.

is there a retina version yet?
Word 2011 for Mac (part of Office 2011) has a retina version.

Office 2008, which is the one you use, does not have a retina version and Microsoft will not release it. Microsoft ended support for Office 2008 in April 2013 (the last update was in March 2013).

You may want to subscribe to Office 365 or wait for the next version of Office to ship (which should happen in the following months). Or stick with the old fuzzy Word 2008.
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Just picked up Ulysses III as it was half price yesterday (and still is today) and I rather like it. Scrivener proved too complicated for me to ever actually use, and I like something (like IA writer) that just syncs with my ipad and iphone via icloud.... Anyone using it?

Bit disappointed in the interface with Daedalus - looks like I will either have to copy everything to the Daedalus section whenever I finish for the day, or save my work in the more limited (no keywords, etc) Daedalus sync area permanently.

But otherwise it looks good. I wonder if it'll help me finish anything.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 11:28 AM   #335
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Just picked up Ulysses III as it was half price yesterday (and still is today) and I rather like it. Scrivener proved too complicated for me to ever actually use, and I like something (like IA writer) that just syncs with my ipad and iphone via icloud.... Anyone using it?

Bit disappointed in the interface with Daedalus - looks like I will either have to copy everything to the Daedalus section whenever I finish for the day, or save my work in the more limited (no keywords, etc) Daedalus sync area permanently.

But otherwise it looks good. I wonder if it'll help me finish anything.
Haven't tried Ulysses, have tried many things ... Love IA Writer, which I use on iPads, when I just want to write (rather than doing more complex things in Scrivener on Mac or MacBook). What are the outstanding features, for your purposes, with Ulysses?
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What I was looking for something that was simpler than Scrivener (because I end up spending all my time trying to get the perfect writing font, and getting lost in all the different bits of each template, and forgetting how to view the file cards or the text, and it's never quite the right font, or width, or... well you get the idea) but still allowed me to group fragments that I might originally have written in IA Writer.

I wanted Writer Pro to take this on for me but as we've established, it's really just not there yet, but I wanted something that was a simplified Scrivener that synced with my devices, like IA Writer does.

I use IAW for all of my sketching out, first draft, fragments because I can jot something down on the go and work on it when I get home or in the office. I'd like something similar for the structuring and follow through.

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PS I think it's a Writing app sale as Scrivener is also half price, and there's a few bucks off the Mac Writer Pro
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What I was looking for something that was simpler than Scrivener (because I end up spending all my time trying to get the perfect writing font, and getting lost in all the different bits of each template, and forgetting how to view the file cards or the text, and it's never quite the right font, or width, or... well you get the idea)
It's easy to get lost in Scrivener's tricks, but I wonder if you might not be kind of making Scrivener into Word, rather than using Scrivener's strengths (as you have) to get your writing done, and then handing fonts, spacing, widths, and all the rest off to Word -- at the end -- which you're going to need when you send stuff out, anyway.

I use Scrivener for the things it does better than anything else, and while I'm doing that I don't worry about formatting or any of that stuff.
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I think I've spent hours trying to find a distraction free writing setup in Scrivener that is as nice as IA writer and for whatever reason, I just can't handle it - too wide, font too big, font too ugly. Learning how to use the index cards and all the rest of it. I've spent more time trying to work out how to use Scrivener than actually writing in it. The writing all got done in iaWriter.

So no - not worrying about the fonts and layout of the end product, just something that is minimalist enough to get me into the zone.

(and before you say "a writer just writes" that's great - for those who can do it. The rest of us need help!)

So - Ulysses for now seems like a nice compromise - the menus are less cluttered than the default Scrivener setup, the writing area is nice and simple and it has an icloud setup that I like without the constant worrying that dropbox will destroy my Scrivener projects.
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(and before you say "a writer just writes" that's great - for those who can do it. The rest of us need help!)
No, I'd never say that. If there's any truth to that statement, it's at such a general level as to be useless advice.

If Scrivener's not for you, it's not for you. Learning what works for you is crucial. I've exposed some of my writing friends to Scrivener. The poets, not surprisingly, see no value beyond assembling poems for a book. And not all the fiction writers have taken to it, either. One or two have.

I'm about to begin a large project, and I'm going to write in Scrivener, but I'm not going to use any of its tools except those that help me assemble arbitrary sections into larger ones, move things around, and keep comprehensive notes and trials in an easily-accessible place. I'm going to move a story collection out of InDesign (where I finished it, even though that wasn't the best idea I ever had) and into Scrivener, and keep it in a place where it won't get in the way but I can access it in a second window either just to read, or to pull stuff from if I need to. I won't use the other tools because (apart from compiling/exporting) I don't need them.

As for Scrivener's text, I'm not crazy about it but I put up with it. It's not really "Scrivener's" text, though. If I'm not mistaken, what Scrivener gives you is really put on the screen by TextEdit, which is what Scrivener calls to get that job done. That makes no difference to you, of course.
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No, I'd never say that. If there's any truth to that statement, it's at such a general level as to be useless advice.

If Scrivener's not for you, it's not for you. Learning what works for you is crucial. I've exposed some of my writing friends to Scrivener. The poets, not surprisingly, see no value beyond assembling poems for a book. And not all the fiction writers have taken to it, either. One or two have.

I'm about to begin a large project, and I'm going to write in Scrivener, but I'm not going to use any of its tools except those that help me assemble arbitrary sections into larger ones, move things around, and keep comprehensive notes and trials in an easily-accessible place. I'm going to move a story collection out of InDesign (where I finished it, even though that wasn't the best idea I ever had) and into Scrivener, and keep it in a place where it won't get in the way but I can access it in a second window either just to read, or to pull stuff from if I need to. I won't use the other tools because (apart from compiling/exporting) I don't need them.

As for Scrivener's text, I'm not crazy about it but I put up with it. It's not really "Scrivener's" text, though. If I'm not mistaken, what Scrivener gives you is really put on the screen by TextEdit, which is what Scrivener calls to get that job done. That makes no difference to you, of course.
I've found that the side notes on the left where my 'wiki' is is a really quick way to refer to character sheets etc when I want to look something up. As a YA Sci-fi enthusiast, a folder on the side lists a town with all the people and creatures etc in it. The town is a folder header, and the characters and creatures are all sub text pages filed into that master folder.

If I want to check that out at work, I just hit shift and hold down that folder and all the sub-pages in the notes just compile together: click in the main view and Select All and copy and paste into anything: gmail if I want to! Then I can view it at lunch time at work, and if I make any changes I send myself an email back to home to put back into Scrivener.

Scrivener's plotting cards ROCKS! Anyone who's ever read "Screenwriter tips for authors" by Alexandra Sokolof will recognise what I'm talking about.
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