[phones] 2013: Amazon Kindle Smartphone $200, L-Series....iPhone's Reign Over? - Page 2

Jibbajabba · Dec 28, 2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuchichan

Would a Kindle smartphone sync with iTunes?

[obvious]
Sure, iTunes is known to work well with non-Apple devices
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Originally Posted by Deity 47

iOS is still the best thing going

It certainly was years ago - but those times are over ..

LIVEFRMNYC · Dec 28, 2012, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by siiip5

If this phone rumor goes ahead and becomes reality, Jeff Bozo better start padding his resumé. Amazon had its first quarterly net loss in 9 years last quarter (and the Fire HD helped Amazon along). Amazon sells at cost and expects money to come from content sales. This didn't happen with the original Fire, it isn't happening with the HD and it certainly won't happen with a phone.
Besides, who wants a phone designed to be an Amazon catalog with adverts on the homescreen?

Source? Cause Amazon hasn't been that open about the sales it generates from the Kindle fire.

ChrisTX · Dec 28, 2012, 07:36 AM

I think what people tend to forget is that Amazon will have the same carrier stumbling blocks as Google is having with Android. In order for them to be successful, and have a mass market phone they will have to partner with the carriers, good luck! Steve Jobs was so good, he was able to sell cingular the iPhone without them being able to even see what they were buying. Now that's a great salesman!

EDIT: I don't think an Amazon smartphone will be any cheaper than the Nexus 4. Sure Amazon can sell at cost, and try to recoup with App sales/Prime/Amazon store etc...But I'm fairly certain the Nexus 4 is already at cost, because Google can make it up with ad revenue. I see the smartphone market being a little more difficult than the tablet market. Apple will be fine, they run the smartphone market in America, and much of the world.

Jibbajabba · Dec 28, 2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisTX

I think what people tend to forget is that Amazon will have the same carrier stumbling blocks as Google is having with Android. .

What stumbling blocks - if the phone is unlocked like the N4 then it shouldn't be an issue - at least Amazon isn't so useless like Google when it comes to deliveries / pre-orders etc.

Google just cannot deal with the shopping process itself - that at least Amazon can

TacticalDesire · Dec 28, 2012, 09:53 AM

The skin Amazon uses is painfully laggy and slow. It stutters all the time. It was a problem on the first gen fire running 2.3 and it's also a problem on the second gen running 4.0 and to a lesser extent, the fire HD. Amazon needs to fix it. It's a good tablet with solid specs but is being crippled by amazons software. Rooting it and installing 4.1 makes it a comparable experience to the Nexus 7 running stock android.

siiip5 · Dec 28, 2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LIVEFRMNYC

Source? Cause Amazon hasn't been that open about the sales it generates from the Kindle fire.

Source is Amazon's quarterly report. This is an open source document available to anyone that does a google search.

Amazon does not report sales figures of individual products, but it legally has to tell the public and investors how it gains and loses money.

Awakener · Dec 28, 2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kampongkid

what's a google-free android?

It doesn't have Google services on the phone (eliminates issues related to Google, a couple of examples: http://us.gizmodo.com/5878987/its-of...le-is-evil-now and http://bgr.com/2012/03/23/google-wan...o-promote-ads/).

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Originally Posted by Jibbajabba

Sure, iTunes is known to work well with non-Apple devices

As if it's such a pleasure to use with Apple devices.

MisterKeeks · Dec 28, 2012, 04:03 PM

There has never been a true iPhone/iPad killer, so I don't think that the unlocked price will bring the iPad down.

Jessica Lares · Dec 28, 2012, 04:44 PM

I just want good battery life. Amazon is very good about that.

aneftp · Dec 28, 2012, 05:02 PM

Very hard for amazon to hit the $199 unlocked unsubsidized price point for a phone.

Remember phones have extra chips like 3G/4g/GPS all in a smaller package.

The nexus 4 sells like hot cakes for $299/349 at the Play store and sold out for weeks. So amazon would be idiots to try to hit the $199 price.

daveathall · Dec 28, 2012, 05:31 PM

It would be interesting to see what Amazon could produce.

Deity 47 · Dec 28, 2012, 06:16 PM

Content is king as they say, and Amazon has content. But it would be nice if Blackberry 10 created some true competition for iOS.

aneftp · Dec 28, 2012, 07:07 PM

Just surprised (for those one 1-2 line post paid plans). Just surprised in the USA that consumers can't realize a $299/349 high end smartphone like the nexus 4 is a bargin when used with a prepaid carrier like straight talk $45 or T mobile $30 5GB plan.

Amazon probably will have a hard time in the cell phone business cause its just hard to convince the American public.

LIVEFRMNYC · Dec 28, 2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by siiip5

Source is Amazon's quarterly report. This is an open source document available to anyone that does a google search.

Amazon does not report sales figures of individual products, but it legally has to tell the public and investors how it gains and loses money.

Most of Amazon's loss was from investing in Living Social. Amazon has pretty much broke even with the Kindle Fire all while increasing registration on a large scale, which was their purpose to begin with.

dannyhex · Dec 28, 2012, 07:14 PM

I welcome competition. Its better for us, that blackberry looks beautiful.

ChrisTX · Dec 28, 2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibbajabba

What stumbling blocks - if the phone is unlocked like the N4 then it shouldn't be an issue - at least Amazon isn't so useless like Google when it comes to deliveries / pre-orders etc.

Google just cannot deal with the shopping process itself - that at least Amazon can

But the general public doesn't want a DIY smartphone. Search Google, and you'll see that most people have no clue how to get the N4 running on their own. Amazon has no experience in mobile, good luck to them!

EbookReader · Dec 31, 2012, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aneftp

Very hard for amazon to hit the $199 unlocked unsubsidized price point for a phone.

Remember phones have extra chips like 3G/4g/GPS all in a smaller package.

The nexus 4 sells like hot cakes for $299/349 at the Play store and sold out for weeks. So amazon would be idiots to try to hit the $199 price.

The amazonphone will be $299 for 16GB (unlocked and no contract like the Nexus 4).

(just my prediction).

paolo- · Dec 31, 2012, 12:15 PM

I doubt there's space for Amazon. At 199 they can't produce a phone that'll compete with the likes of the iPhone, S3 and nexus. Next up I also doubt they'll be able to get carriers on board. Which means the only way to get the phone will be on their site like the nexus. Mind you while the nexus is great it's far from having main stream traction. Getting that traction will be even harder if it isn't what the geeks want. Lastly I don't really see how Amazon would make money with a phone. There's a lot less downloading of media going on than on a tablet.

Awakener · Dec 31, 2012, 12:59 PM

Many people would use a device or service subsidized by ads. Millions already do this with the Kindle devices. If the ads do not interfere with usage it might work.

Rodster · Dec 31, 2012, 02:44 PM

Queue up the carousel UI.

Eddie Bombay · Dec 31, 2012, 03:03 PM

I this is true I'm going to have to pick a few up for my parents. 200 dollar phone would be amazing.

Awakener · Dec 31, 2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodster

Queue up the carousel UI.

The UI will have to be more adaptable for a smartphone.

Awakener · 01:34 PM

Amazon smartphone may disrupt data pricing:

http://news.investors.com/technology...ry-pricing.htm

Seems BB10 will support Android Apps:
http://bgr.com/2013/01/08/blackberry...5/#more-285705

Dec 28, 2012, 07:36 AM	#28
ChrisTX macrumors 68000 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Texas	I think what people tend to forget is that Amazon will have the same carrier stumbling blocks as Google is having with Android. In order for them to be successful, and have a mass market phone they will have to partner with the carriers, good luck! Steve Jobs was so good, he was able to sell cingular the iPhone without them being able to even see what they were buying. Now that's a great salesman! EDIT: I don't think an Amazon smartphone will be any cheaper than the Nexus 4. Sure Amazon can sell at cost, and try to recoup with App sales/Prime/Amazon store etc...But I'm fairly certain the Nexus 4 is already at cost, because Google can make it up with ad revenue. I see the smartphone market being a little more difficult than the tablet market. Apple will be fine, they run the smartphone market in America, and much of the world. __________________ Thanks Steve for all of the awesome technology! Proud owner of an early 2011 15" MacBook Pro, First gen 15" MacBook Pro, iPad 3, Apple TV, Galaxy SIII, and numerous iPods.
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MisterKeeks macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2012	There has never been a true iPhone/iPad killer, so I don't think that the unlocked price will bring the iPad down. __________________ Core Duo 1.83 Mac Mini, Dual 2.7 Power Mac G5, Dual 1.8 Power Mac G5, Dual 1.25 MDD G4, 1.6 GHz iMac G5, 900 MHz iBook G3, 800 MHz iMac G4, 500MHz iMac G3, 400MHz iMac G3
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Dec 28, 2012, 04:44 PM	#34
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Dec 28, 2012, 05:02 PM	#35
aneftp macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jul 2007	Very hard for amazon to hit the $199 unlocked unsubsidized price point for a phone. Remember phones have extra chips like 3G/4g/GPS all in a smaller package. The nexus 4 sells like hot cakes for $299/349 at the Play store and sold out for weeks. So amazon would be idiots to try to hit the $199 price. __________________ (late 2012) 27 in Mac 3.2 Intel Core i5 8GB RAM 1TB fusion 32GB iPhone 5, 64GB iPad LTE (Verizon) plus 64GB iPad 4, Nexus 4
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Dec 31, 2012, 03:03 PM	#46
Eddie Bombay macrumors 6502 Join Date: Aug 2011	I this is true I'm going to have to pick a few up for my parents. 200 dollar phone would be amazing. __________________ Samsung Series 9 11.6" Notebook \| Galaxy S III \| Asus Transformer Prime Apple TV 2nd Gen \| iPod Touch 4th Gen 64GB iPad Mini \| iPad 2 - 32GB AT&T
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Dec 28, 2012, 09:53 AM	#30
TacticalDesire macrumors 65816 Join Date: Mar 2012	The skin Amazon uses is painfully laggy and slow. It stutters all the time. It was a problem on the first gen fire running 2.3 and it's also a problem on the second gen running 4.0 and to a lesser extent, the fire HD. Amazon needs to fix it. It's a good tablet with solid specs but is being crippled by amazons software. Rooting it and installing 4.1 makes it a comparable experience to the Nexus 7 running stock android.
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Dec 28, 2012, 05:31 PM	#36
daveathall macrumors 65816 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: North Yorkshire	It would be interesting to see what Amazon could produce.
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Dec 28, 2012, 06:16 PM	#37
Deity 47 macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2012	Content is king as they say, and Amazon has content. But it would be nice if Blackberry 10 created some true competition for iOS.
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Dec 28, 2012, 07:07 PM	#38
aneftp macrumors 68020 Join Date: Jul 2007	Just surprised (for those one 1-2 line post paid plans). Just surprised in the USA that consumers can't realize a $299/349 high end smartphone like the nexus 4 is a bargin when used with a prepaid carrier like straight talk $45 or T mobile $30 5GB plan. Amazon probably will have a hard time in the cell phone business cause its just hard to convince the American public.
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Dec 28, 2012, 07:14 PM	#40
dannyhex macrumors regular Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NY	I welcome competition. Its better for us, that blackberry *looks* beautiful.
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Dec 31, 2012, 12:15 PM	#43
paolo- macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2008	I doubt there's space for Amazon. At 199 they can't produce a phone that'll compete with the likes of the iPhone, S3 and nexus. Next up I also doubt they'll be able to get carriers on board. Which means the only way to get the phone will be on their site like the nexus. Mind you while the nexus is great it's far from having main stream traction. Getting that traction will be even harder if it isn't what the geeks want. Lastly I don't really see how Amazon would make money with a phone. There's a lot less downloading of media going on than on a tablet.
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Dec 31, 2012, 12:59 PM	#44
Awakener Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2011	Many people would use a device or service subsidized by ads. Millions already do this with the Kindle devices. If the ads do not interfere with usage it might work.
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Dec 31, 2012, 02:44 PM	#45
Rodster macrumors 65816 Join Date: May 2007	Queue up the carousel UI.
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Jan 5, 2013, 10:19 PM	#48
Awakener Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2011	Amazon Smartphone Will Disrupt Market Amazon smartphone may disrupt data pricing: http://news.investors.com/technology...ry-pricing.htm Seems BB10 will support Android Apps: http://bgr.com/2013/01/08/blackberry...5/#more-285705 Last edited by Awakener; Jan 8, 2013 at 01:34 PM.
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