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Old Nov 13, 2013, 05:34 PM   #51
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Which sucks because I prefer JetBlue by a mile.
I think Jet Blue is the best American airline out there.

But if you want a real flying experience, try Air France or Korean air
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Old Nov 13, 2013, 05:42 PM   #52
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Provided this deal now goes through, this means that just four airlines will control 80% of the U.S. commercial air travel market.
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Old Nov 13, 2013, 05:47 PM   #53
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Close.. America West (AWE) bought USAir/US Airways, adopted their name, but kept their original callsigns. the others definitely merged with USA.

However, the untold story:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-clears-amer...165453812.html
I think I read somewhere that America West wanted the US Airways name because the US Airways name was better known internationally. They kept the Cactus callsign for US Airways though. I heard it on the air traffic control tapes for the Miracle on the Hudson flight. The others merged and I think they eventually became USAir and then US Airways. All the crew from the Hudson flight joined US Airways in the 70s/80s when the likes of Piedmont and Allegheny existed.
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Old Nov 13, 2013, 05:52 PM   #54
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I think I read somewhere that America West wanted the US Airways name because the US Airways name was better known internationally.
This is correct, and that never was going to change.

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They kept the Cactus callsign for US Airways though. I heard it on the air traffic control tapes for the Miracle on the Hudson flight. The others merged and I think they eventually became USAir and then US Airways. All the crew from the Hudson flight joined US Airways in the 70s/80s when the likes of Piedmont and Allegheny existed.
It was an even push. "US Air" was known best internationally, but AWE was the more parent of the the companies when they merged, just like how it is now with AAL. Only this time, American is the more known brand, so Cactus is indeed going away.

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Old Nov 13, 2013, 06:19 PM   #55
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This is correct, and that never was going to change.



It was an even push. "US Air" was known best internationally, but AWE was the more parent of the the companies when they merged, just like how it is now with AAL. Only this time, American is the more known brand, so Cactus is indeed going away.

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Well America West were mainly a domestic airline whereas US Airways had some international presence, even if that was only in Europe. It was a sort of reverse merger in a way. America West bought US Airways but they kept the US Airways name and brand and some elements of AWE. When I first heard about that merger I thought US Airways bought America West I was only 15 when it happened though so maybe I was just a bit confused
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Old Nov 13, 2013, 06:25 PM   #56
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Well America West were mainly a domestic airline whereas US Airways had some international presence, even if that was only in Europe. It was a sort of reverse merger in a way. America West bought US Airways but they kept the US Airways name and brand and some elements of AWE. When I first heard about that merger I thought US Airways bought America West I was only 15 when it happened though so maybe I was just a bit confused
Nope.. you were right! You really would have been confused if you got caught in the debate between East coast metal and West Coast Metal (and I'm not talking music, either! )

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Old Nov 14, 2013, 05:07 AM   #57
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Nope.. you were right! You really would have been confused if you got caught in the debate between East coast metal and West Coast Metal (and I'm not talking music, either! )

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Really? I never did get caught in the debate between East Coast and West Coast Metal, but I did read about it on FlyerTalk, amongst other places. I'm only a lurker on those sites. Haha is there such a thing in music?
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Old Nov 22, 2013, 09:14 PM   #58
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By 2017, this will have a huge impact on KPHL, KCLT, and KPHX. AWE has been based out of PHX since they started, and was even able to entice BAW to make daily flights to there from EGLL. Not sure what's going to happen when that hub goes away.
On behalf of PHX, I'd like to send an open invitation to JetBlue to pick up all of the abandoned slots.
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High speed rail won't ever jump off

How would you feel if you had a 200 mph bullet train running through your backyard all times throughout the night...
This is a strange comment. First, we have a robust network of freight trains that run across the United States and we haven't abandoned the network because it might run behind someone's backyard. (Generally speaking, you give the rail an easement, so you don't have many times when a train "run[s] through your backyard.")

Second, people have the same complaints when it comes to the expansion of air traffic patterns, so it's pretty easy to see that change is going to include complaints from nearby property owners.

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I have personally travelled on the TGV, and I must say that it does hark back to the glory days of air travel. There is just a special feeling of traveling at 370kph across the country side, eating a properly cooked meal, while drinking a decent bottle of wine.
The TGV is indeed an awesome way to travel.

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...I don't want my Texas taxes to go towards paying for a rail line in the northeast if we don't get rail here, too...
This comment doesn't make much sense to me.

The way that taxes are spent in something like a transportation bill means that some money will be spent in Texas for highways, some spent in Calif. for light-rail, and some spent on HSR in New England.

This is a fair application of the taxes and states often guide what their part of the money is spent on, so if Texas blows the whole wad on repaving Ft. Hood that shouldn't bar Mass. from building their part of an HSR line to connect Boston to New York City.

In the long-term, I think rail-lines between cities makes a lot of sense. Here in the Tucson-Phoenix corridor, we have a huge amount of traffic (and accidents because of dust-storms—apparently it's Arrakis out there.) going between the two cities. A flight from one to the other is ridiculously expensive and takes more time between the security apparatus and the delays than driving, but a good HSR line could connect the two cities and allow people in Tucson who use the new light-rail system to travel to Phoenix and use it's light-rail system.

This European model makes a great deal of sense. It won't work when you're in Bozeman and want to go to Boise, but connecting urban corridors together seems far more viable in the long-term than building endless ribbons of asphalt.
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This European model makes a great deal of sense. It won't work when you're in Bozeman and want to go to Boise, but connecting urban corridors together seems far more viable in the long-term than building endless ribbons of asphalt.
I wish Southern California worked that way. LA couldn't even get a subway system right.
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I wish Southern California worked that way. LA couldn't even get a subway system right.
Yeah, I think Tucson's light-rail system is going to be a cluster**** for a few years, even though I support the idea and some of the implementation.

But, that doesn't mean it can't be done, it just means that there's vary levels of competence in local governments. Phoenix has managed to build a pretty robust system along with Portland, and New York has the subway system down. So, we just need to look at best of breed models and ignore the rest.
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Old Nov 23, 2013, 03:27 AM   #62
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I think Jet Blue is the best American airline out there.

But if you want a real flying experience, try Air France or Korean air
Air France sucks, it sucked before it got in bed with Delta and it sucked since. Air France and KLM are the worst representation of a European airline to date. If you'd like to fly well fly Emirates
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Old Nov 23, 2013, 03:36 AM   #63
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Air France sucks, it sucked before it got in bed with Delta and it sucked since. Air France and KLM are the worst representation of a European airline to date. If you'd like to fly well fly Emirates
Oh, Coach class in Air France still SUCKS tons of ass.

You have to go with the fully optioned out 1st class and its AMAZINGGGGGGGGG. The food is great, unlimited wifi ( if the plane is getting it ), you get those little pods that turn into beds, your own HVAC settings, heated and cooled cupholders and seats, big wine selection, and tons of pre loaded movies on the aircraft. So you just down a steak, a bottle or 5 of wine, and pass out during your atlantic flight. its the best!

I do the same on Korean Air, and its also amazing.

I also gotta say, I've flown on Air Koryo, and it was STILL better than American Air somehow. ( PM me for those details. )

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Oh, Coach class in Air France still SUCKS tons of ass.

You have to go with the fully optioned out 1st class and its AMAZINGGGGGGGGG. The food is great, unlimited wifi ( if the plane is getting it ), you get those little pods that turn into beds, your own HVAC settings, heated and cooled cupholders and seats, big wine selection, and tons of pre loaded movies on the aircraft. So you just down a steak, a bottle or 5 of wine, and pass out during your atlantic flight. its the best!

I do the same on Korean Air, and its also amazing.

I also gotta say, I've flown on Air Koryo, and it was STILL better than American Air somehow. ( PM me for those details. )
No it sucks in any class..

Those little pods are on every airline now and originated on Emirates.
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No it sucks in any class..

Those little pods are on every airline now and originated on Emirates.
I've never flown Emirates, tho I assume they fly in an area of the world I would never visit. I understand that they do have personal rooms on the cheap. But if I'm getting blackout drunk, whats the point?

I don't see a problem with Air France in 1st class. I get a bed, TV/Movies, internet connection most of the time, big fluffy pillow, nice blanket, decent food. And I drink so much wine I get blackout drunk. How can you beat that? And its cheap as hell.
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If you don't want to pay for business (I don't know of any airlines who still call it "first", not saying they don't exist), consider something to the equivalent of "economy comfort" that I believe most airlines are adopting- relatively small increase in price for more legroom and pitch. It makes a big difference.
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Air France sucks, it sucked before it got in bed with Delta and it sucked since. Air France and KLM are the worst representation of a European airline to date. If you'd like to fly well fly Emirates
Actually you should reverse that. NWA and KLM were already in bed together. AFR joined in mid-coitus, which they agreed to and started a threesome. DAL walked in, saw the action going, and turned it into outright porn by joining in as a foursome.

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