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Old Jul 10, 2013, 10:31 AM   #151
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If this is the "must-have" feature of the 5S, I'll be happy I upgraded my 4S to a 5 earlier this spring.
If you upgraded from a 4S to a 5 it sounds like you're getting each version.. which means you'll probably get the 5S and the 6.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 10:48 AM   #152
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If you upgraded from a 4S to a 5 it sounds like you're getting each version.. which means you'll probably get the 5S and the 6.
Probably not, the 4S was my first iPhone. I got the 64gb but I never used even half of it so I ended up trading it straight for a 32gb 5. The bigger screen, faster processor, slimmer design, and LTE were worth sacrificing the 32gb of space that I wasn't using anyway.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 12:29 PM   #153
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That video was from my old 4S running iOS 5.x in 2012. I now have an iP5 running iOS 7 b3. I think if the 4S was capable of 60fps 720p capture, the iP5 could've done 60fps 1080p
Could have... unfortunately, that's not the case. Currently, only 720p60 available on the iPhone 5 and it's in binned mode only - that is, with half the true resolution.

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while the 5S will be able to do 120fps 1080p.
Unfortunately, the probability of that is around 0.01%. 1080p120 (which equals to 4k30) requires some REALLY fast sensor not widely available at (for manufacturers) tolerable price points. We'll be lucky if we get 1080p60 without binning, that is, with true 1080p resolution.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 02:02 PM   #154
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Just because something would technically work on older phones does not mean it will work well. Take Maps. Google's Map App works like crap on older iPhones (don't love it on newer one's either). When Siri came out often times she would suffer from network congestion. If Apple allowed all the old phones on, it would have been much worst
True, but again, it works well.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 02:10 PM   #155
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Really. Have there been any new features from Apple that haven't already been done a year prior by Samsung?
You mean like combining a cell phone with a camera, a media player and a PDA all in one convenient, pocket-sized touch screen device with access to thousands of apps to customize your experience?
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 04:22 PM   #156
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By the way: why 120fps. Cant most of those newest phones record 300fps?
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 05:55 PM   #157
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great ! a feature that would be useless to 99.9% users
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 06:04 PM   #158
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Awesome! Milk your customers for ANOTHER year and not change the phones design or size and add another useless feature. yeah.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 06:10 PM   #159
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This sounds cool. But I hope its not the stand-alone feature differentiating itself from the 5 (like Siri was for the 4S).
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 06:24 PM   #160
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That sure as hell doesn't pull me away from my HTC One at all. I looked at my switch to Android as a very temporary one to "switch it up" after using nothing but an iPhone since September of 2007, but once I switched I thought, "It'll take a lot to make me switch back." Now this is the "big" feature of the 5S? Yeah, no thanks.
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 08:12 PM   #161
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Old Jul 10, 2013, 08:17 PM   #162
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You mean like combining a cell phone with a camera, a media player and a PDA all in one convenient, pocket-sized touch screen device with access to thousands of apps to customize your experience?
Hey, most of us are living in 2013. But while you're still in 2007, tell everyone to watch out for the housing bubble.

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i think this will be a great feature. i'd love to see 4k recording also, but i doubt that will happen.
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Old Jul 11, 2013, 12:46 AM   #164
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By the way: why 120fps. Cant most of those newest phones record 300fps?
Nope, none of them - only standalone P&S cameras. BTW, it's absolutely unlikely the iPhone 5S will have 120 fps at 720p, let alone 1080p.
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Old Jul 12, 2013, 05:06 AM   #165
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Nope, none of them - only standalone P&S cameras. BTW, it's absolutely unlikely the iPhone 5S will have 120 fps at 720p, let alone 1080p.
so basicly they lie saying its 300fps? or do they mean they can make it go slower then 120fps by just making it play back at 15fps instead of 30 or something?
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Old Jul 12, 2013, 05:44 AM   #166
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so basicly they lie saying its 300fps? or do they mean they can make it go slower then 120fps by just making it play back at 15fps instead of 30 or something?
Exactly which phone is advertised as being able to record at 300 fps? I may have missed those ads.

I don't think any phone manufacturer would advertise their phone by stating it's capable of reocrding 300 fps = 10-times slower playback while meaning what you said (that is, 120/12 = recording at 120 fps and playing back at 12 fps etc.)
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Old Jul 14, 2013, 09:45 AM   #167
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Following set would be cool for the 5S:

1440p/30fps
1080p/60fps
720p/120fps

But I'm afraid it wont happen...
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Old Jul 23, 2013, 11:39 AM   #168
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Fast capture is even better for photography, when done right. No more posing!

SnappyCam on iPhone can take high quality photos up to 60 pictures/sec on iPhone 4S (iOS 5) and soon on more devices with iOS 7.

The higher the resolution, the slower it gets, but there's nothing anywhere near as fast and high-res as SnappyCam.

Shooting photos at 120 pictures/sec would be amazing. Can't wait!

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Are you ABSOLUTELY sure it's capable of resolving 2112 x 1188 pixels? For my forthcoming article, I've made some very serious tests on the absolutely clean, just-restored, 6.1.4 (no jailbreak, no previous restored backups, no nothing) iPhone 5 to properly evaluate the image quality of SnappyCam and found it to be much worse in “Extra FoV” mode than even in the smallest-resolution modes (let alone the “Large” FoV mode, which basically operates on 1080p video framegrabs). The same is the case under iOS 7.0b3.

This is the highest-resolution (“Extra Large FoV” ) mode (2112 x 1188) with in 16:9 mode:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/

and in 4:3:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/

And this is the “Large FoV” (as has been explained above, simple 1080p framegrabs):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/
(16:9)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/
(4:3)

As you can see, these screenshots are WAAY better than those of maximal resolution.

The other FoV modes' resolutions are, as expected, the same as the source video files. They're also in the dedicated Flickr set ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/ )

Could you please look into the problem so that I can publish as timely info as possible in my article?
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Old Jul 23, 2013, 03:09 PM   #169
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Thanks for getting in touch via e-mail Werner.

I've sent you a reply and am looking into this in more detail.

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Are you ABSOLUTELY sure it's capable of resolving 2112 x 1188 pixels? For my forthcoming article, I've made some very serious tests on the absolutely clean, just-restored, 6.1.4 (no jailbreak, no previous restored backups, no nothing) iPhone 5 to properly evaluate the image quality of SnappyCam and found it to be much worse in “Extra FoV” mode than even in the smallest-resolution modes (let alone the “Large” FoV mode, which basically operates on 1080p video framegrabs). The same is the case under iOS 7.0b3.

This is the highest-resolution (“Extra Large FoV” ) mode (2112 x 1188) with in 16:9 mode:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/

and in 4:3:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/

And this is the “Large FoV” (as has been explained above, simple 1080p framegrabs):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/
(16:9)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/
(4:3)

As you can see, these screenshots are WAAY better than those of maximal resolution.

The other FoV modes' resolutions are, as expected, the same as the source video files. They're also in the dedicated Flickr set ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/3344835...7634760530375/ )

Could you please look into the problem so that I can publish as timely info as possible in my article?
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Old Aug 4, 2013, 10:29 AM   #170
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Thanks for getting in touch via e-mail Werner.

I've sent you a reply and am looking into this in more detail.

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Just a quick heads-up before I publish all this in my full Action Shooting bible (after publishing my panorama / HDR / low-light roundups):

I've very thoroughly tested the recent update (3.0.0).

I've tested the three best (highest-resolution) modes (all in 4:3) the new version on my iPhone 5 (6.1.4, non-JB'n).

Resolution: great in all three modes – that is, in the two larger-than-Full HD modes too! That is, it no longer has problems in resolution(s) higher than Full HD.

Effective fps, benchmarked with my programmatically generated 60 fps tester video:

Full FoV: After the first 7 frames (with between 3-4 framedrops; effective framerate: around 15-20 fps), 12-18frames between (effective framerate: around 4 fps)

Extra Large FoV: around 3-4 frames between all frames during the entire recording (effective framerate: around 15-20 fps)

Large FoV, 30: true 30 fps

That is, in the highest-resolution mode (“Full FoV”), the framerate drops from the 15...20 default to around 4 after some frames. If you need as high framerate as possible during as much time as possible (with definitely better resolution than Full HD), use the “Extra Large FoV” mode (the one with the second-highest resolution). Finally, if 30 fps is important for you and the somewhat lower resolution (Full HD) and significantly narrower FoV isn't a problem, use the “Large FoV” mode.
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Old Aug 4, 2013, 01:38 PM   #171
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To avoid cross-posting across threads, please see my comments on this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...7#post17682187

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Just a quick heads-up before I publish all this in my full Action Shooting bible (after publishing my panorama / HDR / low-light roundups):

I've very thoroughly tested the recent update (3.0.0).

I've tested the three best (highest-resolution) modes (all in 4:3) the new version on my iPhone 5 (6.1.4, non-JB'n).

Resolution: great in all three modes – that is, in the two larger-than-Full HD modes too! That is, it no longer has problems in resolution(s) higher than Full HD.

Effective fps, benchmarked with my programmatically generated 60 fps tester video:

Full FoV: After the first 7 frames (with between 3-4 framedrops; effective framerate: around 15-20 fps), 12-18frames between (effective framerate: around 4 fps)

Extra Large FoV: around 3-4 frames between all frames during the entire recording (effective framerate: around 15-20 fps)

Large FoV, 30: true 30 fps

That is, in the highest-resolution mode (“Full FoV”), the framerate drops from the 15...20 default to around 4 after some frames. If you need as high framerate as possible during as much time as possible (with definitely better resolution than Full HD), use the “Extra Large FoV” mode (the one with the second-highest resolution). Finally, if 30 fps is important for you and the somewhat lower resolution (Full HD) and significantly narrower FoV isn't a problem, use the “Large FoV” mode.
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