Google is getting better at design faster than Apple is getting better at web servics

[Dontazemebro]

Originally Posted by Technarchy

Just the opposite. I think the stock GS3 browser is much smoother and is nicer to use than Chrome on Android.

Also, on Windows I like Chrome, but on any Apple products I prefer Safari, especially after Mountain Lion.

Agreed, I much prefer the stock browser to chrome. Still too many crashes for my liking.

[onthecouchagain]

I never knew Chrome had performance issues. It ran and runs amazingly on my Galaxy Nexus. It wasn't until very recently that I discovered people having so much issues with it.

It's been updated as of yesterday, anyhow.

[onthecouchagain]

iPhone Faces a Real Challenge As Android App Revenue Surges: http://bgr.com/2012/11/29/android-ap...alysis-iphone/

"Now AppAnnie is reporting that Google Play revenue growth in the last month was 17.9% globally while iOS app revenue actually shrunk by 0.7%."

[cynics]

Chrome has always been my browser of choice on Android. Now that its been updated its by far better then anything else I've ever used on a mobile platform. I had issues on occasion on my Xoom but on my N10 its really nice, hasn't crashed yet....

[macrem]

Originally Posted by Faux Carnival

Apple will never even get close to Google at web services. Think of a cloud service (so called) that you can't access from web, that you can't access from non-Apple devices and that doesn't even have proper file management. What a joke!

Are you saying www.icloud.com doesn't exist? Files edited in OS X, for instance, show up immediately on icloud.com, iOS devices & other OS X machines linked to the same account. I'm syncing mail, contacts, calendars, to-do's, notes, tickets, photos, & music across multiple devices with iCloud. Changes are instantaneous across my devices. If I lose my device, I can log into iCloud and locate where it is. I can make it play a sound or erase it. I'm not finding this to be a joke.

[Oletros]

Originally Posted by macrem

Are you saying www.icloud.com doesn't exist? Files edited in OS X, for instance, show up immediately on icloud.com

Please, show me where I can find my files on iCloud

[macrem]

Originally Posted by Oletros

Please, show me where I can find my files on iCloud

For instance, from OS X or iOS save an iWork Keynote, Numbers or Pages doc on iCloud. Then, go to www.icloud.com -> iWork & select the app you used above. The first thing you will see is the doc.

[Oletros]

Originally Posted by macrem

For instance, from OS X or iOS save an iWork Keynote, Numbers or Pages doc on iCloud. Then, go to www.icloud.com -> iWork & select the app you used above. The first thing you will see is the doc.

I didn't said where I can find my iWork files, I have said where I can find my files

[macrem]

Originally Posted by Oletros

I didn't said where I can find my iWork files, I have said where I can find my files

This isn't a web service deficiency by Apple, it's a design choice for simplicity, which can be considered the most suitable form of file management for smartphones/tablets. For instance, instead of backing up bookmarks, my bookmarks are automatically synced to iCloud & across all my OS X & iOS devices. If I add a bookmark on one device, it's immediately available on all other devices. In addition, I see tabs open on all other devices from any device (desktop, tablet & smartphone). I don't need to manage bookmark files. This is a smart use of web services.

If you want to store & manually manage all your files online, there's DropBox et al as well as "hacks" to mount a folder in iCloud & use it like a network drive.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

iPhone Faces a Real Challenge As Android App Revenue Surges: http://bgr.com/2012/11/29/android-ap...alysis-iphone/

"Now AppAnnie is reporting that Google Play revenue growth in the last month was 17.9% globally while iOS app revenue actually shrunk by 0.7%."

Apple calls bull on those numbers:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/29/ap...vz0sAl.99bmb=1

[maflynn]

I have to agree with that article (other then the twitter comment). There's been similar type of complaints in the past. The issue is (to me) is that apple is very good at designing personal products. The iPod, the MBP, the iMac, the iPhone, etc etc. Creating a product or service that is more social or group focused has largely been unsuccessful with apple.

[76ShovelHead]

Originally Posted by Faux Carnival

Apple will never even get close to Google at web services. Think of a cloud service (so called) that you can't access from web, that you can't access from non-Apple devices and that doesn't even have proper file management. What a joke!

I can't trust Google. They'll release something really cool and useful, abandon it, and then remove it completely. Just like they did with chrome app Scratch pad, which I used to take notes for class when running Ubuntu. Good thing I switched back to Evernote after installing OS X. They did this with a handful of other projects too. I'm just waiting for them to axe google voice.

I agree however Apple needs to fix a few things with iCloud, like file management. They had a good service going with iWork.com, another service I relied on heavily for uploading documents for teachers to grade. It'd be nice if we could be able to share docs again.

In the meantime, I use Skydrive now to sync all my files. I love Skydrive, file management is great and features are way better than google drive (Outlook.com, Office, etc).

[Oletros]

Originally Posted by macrem

This isn't a web service deficiency by Apple, it's a design choice for simplicity, which can be considered the most suitable form of file management for smartphones/tablets. For instance, instead of backing up bookmarks, my bookmarks are automatically synced to iCloud & across all my OS X & iOS devices. If I add a bookmark on one device, it's immediately available on all other devices. In addition, I see tabs open on all other devices from any device (desktop, tablet & smartphone). I don't need to manage bookmark files. This is a smart use of web services.

Why do you mix boormarks with files when they are totally different things? By the way, this is how bookmarks sync in Chrome.

[Tinmania]

Originally Posted by macrem

This isn't a web service deficiency by Apple, it's a design choice for simplicity, which can be considered the most suitable form of file management for smartphones/tablets. For instance, instead of backing up bookmarks, my bookmarks are automatically synced to iCloud & across all my OS X & iOS devices. If I add a bookmark on one device, it's immediately available on all other devices. In addition, I see tabs open on all other devices from any device (desktop, tablet & smartphone). I don't need to manage bookmark files. This is a smart use of web services.

If you want to store & manually manage all your files online, there's DropBox et al as well as "hacks" to mount a folder in iCloud & use it like a network drive.

You have just described the behavior of Chrome.

The difference, however, is that I can all of that on my mac, iOS, or Nexus 4. Safari does not exist for Android. If it did I could make it my default browser should I so desire (not so when I use Chrome on iOS). Yet I can use Chrome on iOS. Hmmmm....

I think the person you responded to was talking about freely accessing files from anywhere. This can be done on free cloud services.

Speaking of accessing files... Where are videos stored in iCloud? Certainly not in PhotoStream. They are in iCloud backups if you are lucky enough to have enough room (or pay for more storage) and have waited long enough for a device backup. However, how can you access a video--just one video--that you want to see or retrieve from another device? You can't. You can only do a restore. I don't like that.

On Android photos and videos are backed up to a Google+ private folder. It's Google's answer to photo stream but in my opinion better since it includes videos. For me it is even better still since it excludes screenshots (hate that photostream backs up screenshots since I use them a lot and do not need them there). In fact Android places screenshots in their own album.





Michael

[IFRIT]

Originally Posted by macrem

This isn't a web service deficiency by Apple, it's a design choice for simplicity, which can be considered the most suitable form of file management for smartphones/tablets. For instance, instead of backing up bookmarks, my bookmarks are automatically synced to iCloud & across all my OS X & iOS devices. If I add a bookmark on one device, it's immediately available on all other devices. In addition, I see tabs open on all other devices from any device (desktop, tablet & smartphone). I don't need to manage bookmark files. This is a smart use of web services.

If you want to store & manually manage all your files online, there's DropBox et al as well as "hacks" to mount a folder in iCloud & use it like a network drive.

Chrome for android does the same thing, i can also browse a website on my phone, get into bed and look at the same page i was looking at on my phone 2 clicks later because chrome syncs recent page views also.

[macrem]

I'll just make a blanket response to you guys as I got a similar response from three people: Bookmarks you need to backup are files and earlier I was talking about other types of files. I was comparing stock OOTB Android/iOS. With add on's all the stuff we're talking about can be done on either OS. I'm not working a lot with video, though. I think small videos you take with one iOS device are shared with photo stream. The cloud storage of videos with practically limitless store on Android sounds cool.

Btw I bought the original Asus Transformer Prime before they fixed the wifi issues (which is why I returned it) & thought this was otherwise a very cool tablet. As I recall I got webstorage from Asus + from Google. Now there's a new Tranformer with rubber behind the antenna to resolve the wifi range issue. I'm finding some interesting info about Android in this area of the forum but I am not into the whole rivalry between iOS & Android. I like my iPad & will probably get another Android device to play with too.

[onthecouchagain]

To those who have had performance issues on Chrome, is the update any better?

[Tinmania]

Originally Posted by macrem

I think small videos you take with one iOS device are shared with photo stream. The cloud storage of videos with practically limitless store on Android sounds cool.

No videos are uploaded to photostream at all, not even a 1-second video.



Michael

[Oletros]

Originally Posted by macrem

I'll just make a blanket response to you guys as I got a similar response from three people: Bookmarks you need to backup are files and earlier I was talking about other types of files. I was comparing stock OOTB Android/iOS. With add on's all the stuff we're talking about can be done on either OS. I'm not working a lot with video, though. I think small videos you take with one iOS device are shared with photo stream. The cloud storage of videos with practically limitless store on Android sounds cool.

Still waiting those Office files in iCloud that are synchronized trough Skydrive or Google Drive.