Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jan 22, 2013, 07:45 PM   #26
winston1236
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ><
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlez View Post
i wasn't talking about patents. Just saying that Apple focus on small things that lead to big things.
What big things?
winston1236 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 22, 2013, 08:30 PM   #27
sc4rf4c3
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlez View Post
i wasn't talking about patents. Just saying that Apple focus on small things that lead to big things.
Yeah what big things?
__________________
2012 13" Macbook Pro
iPad 4, iPhone5, HTC One
sc4rf4c3 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 22, 2013, 08:43 PM   #28
willcapellaro
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by canucksfan88 View Post
no wonder i almost blinded myself when i accidentally hit passbook at night

the app has since been exiled to the last page
I discovered this today while at the airport and was pleasantly surprised. Passbook needs to be bright for the QR codes -- I generally have my phone at a usable but low brightness but when I travel I crank it all the way down to save juice. This saves a huge bother of passbook not working for its intended use.
willcapellaro is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 22, 2013, 11:26 PM   #29
AppleLover12345
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlez View Post
And this is why Apple is still regarded as the best. Instead of focusing 100% on specs they focus on smaller things that create a much more solid experience and speed up performance. e.g. dual core iP5 out benchmarking quad core S3
I HIGHLY doubt the dual core IP5 benches higher than the quad core S3, considering the fact that both processors use Samsung's fabrication technology and Apple is known to use the lowest quality parts available. Not just that, Samsung saves their best technology for their own devices, not their competitors'.
I know the IP5 is faster than the dual-core S3, but that's because Samsung's 4 core exynos was incompatible with US LTE networks, so Samsung had to settle for Qualcomm's processors.

Edit: I was right and you were wrong.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...an-the-nexus-7

Also, I think this whole "experience" rationalization is a subtle acceptance that Android is superior to iOS that many Apple lovers can't fully admit yet. When you have to resort to vague, innumerate measures to determine which OS is better, then you know you're just pulling crap out of your rear. Also, the iPhone experience is definitely NOT solid, especially with all the crashing, lagging and stuttering when you want to do simple things.
Furthermore, I suggest you read this and put some time to take it all in.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomioger...d-a-data-dive/
It's gonna be hard to swallow for an Apple fanatic, but I trust that you can persevere and speak truth and not BS once you break free from the Apple reality-distortion field.

Last edited by AppleLover12345; Jan 22, 2013 at 11:48 PM.
AppleLover12345 is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 12:23 AM   #30
blackhand1001
macrumors 68030
 
blackhand1001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlez View Post
And this is why Apple is still regarded as the best. Instead of focusing 100% on specs they focus on smaller things that create a much more solid experience and speed up performance. e.g. dual core iP5 out benchmarking quad core S3
Umm this isn't an apple innovation at all. This has been around for years. Its called dynamic contrast.
__________________
Macbook 2008
HP Dv7t - 2.53 ghz, 9600m GT, WSXGA+, 120gb ssd, 250 gb 7200rpm
Core i7 3770k, 8gb ram, 2x 120gb sdd raid0, 500gb hdd, GTX 460
Moto X Dev Edition (VZW) Nexus 7
blackhand1001 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 12:26 AM   #31
AppleLover12345
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by thasan View Post
Looks like android devices are so boring that droidtrolls come here to entertain themselves....
Not an exciting and flashy innovation anyway but it has quite a lot of implications. I'm sure Samsung and Nokia have inventions like this but not many people cares cause only few like the companies if its google, u would see a lot of praise and I will be among them.
Where are the "droidtrolls" you speak of?
Also, no Samsung or Nokia fanatic praises them for making insignificant "inventions" like that patent because Samsung and Nokia make REAL technology.
Also, I'd have to argue against your assertion that only a few people like Samsung. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean only a fringe minority does. Hell, Samsung Galaxy S3 is outselling the iPhone 5 in your own country.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackhand1001 View Post
Umm this isn't an apple innovation at all. This has been around for years. Its called dynamic contrast.
Isn't it SO annoying that Apple fanatics keep trying to claim something other people invented?
AppleLover12345 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 12:33 AM   #32
thekev
macrumors 603
 
thekev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by kockgunner View Post
Although this seems like a simple thing to patent, imagine if Apple didn't patent it and everyone just started copying it? Then there would be no more innovation from other companies to create other battery saving methods with software or hardware? We always see these things as trivial but if everyone used the same methods and implementations, what differentiates one company's products from another's? Apple's R&D department might was well be Samsung or Google's.
Even if they decided to do something similar, they would still have to resolve the engineering issues to get there. Aside from that, the patent link returns an error.
__________________
world's largest manufacturer of tin foil hats, none of that aluminum foil crap.
thekev is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 12:38 AM   #33
flameproof
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Dimming the display to reduce power is patent worthy?

They have a patent on an ON/OFF switch too?
flameproof is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 02:15 AM   #34
SchneiderMan
macrumors 604
 
SchneiderMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by turtlez View Post
And this is why Apple is still regarded as the best. Instead of focusing 100% on specs they focus on smaller things that create a much more solid experience and speed up performance. e.g. dual core iP5 out benchmarking quad core S3
Well compared to Android, that's not very accurate. Android is filled with little features compared to iOS, sadly.
__________________
SchneiderMan is online now   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 02:28 AM   #35
swagi
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by thasan View Post
Looks like android devices are so boring that droidtrolls come here to entertain themselves....
Not an exciting and flashy innovation anyway but it has quite a lot of implications. I'm sure Samsung and Nokia have inventions like this but not many people cares cause only few like the companies if its google, u would see a lot of praise and I will be among them.
Oddly this feature is implemented on every STOCK Galaxy S3. Want to disable it?

Go to Settings -> Display
scroll all the way down
"Auto adjust screen tone"

And actually this feature isn't innovative at all as several others have mentioned here. And considering Apple in this scenario...

...I may consider buying an Apple branded phone again when they stop this anorexia design. I don't give a damn about 4mm more thickness if that gives me more battery.

Maybe Ive should rethink about that device. It is supposed to be portable! My Galaxy S3 at least lasts 2days with typical usage.

Or is the iPhone population so hipster that they instantly plug their phones in a s soon as they are home?
__________________
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein
swagi is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 02:47 AM   #36
haruhiko
macrumors 68030
 
haruhiko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleLover12345 View Post
I HIGHLY doubt the dual core IP5 benches higher than the quad core S3, considering the fact that both processors use Samsung's fabrication technology and Apple is known to use the lowest quality parts available. Not just that, Samsung saves their best technology for their own devices, not their competitors'.
I know the IP5 is faster than the dual-core S3, but that's because Samsung's 4 core exynos was incompatible with US LTE networks, so Samsung had to settle for Qualcomm's processors.

Edit: I was right and you were wrong.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...an-the-nexus-7

Also, I think this whole "experience" rationalization is a subtle acceptance that Android is superior to iOS that many Apple lovers can't fully admit yet. When you have to resort to vague, innumerate measures to determine which OS is better, then you know you're just pulling crap out of your rear. Also, the iPhone experience is definitely NOT solid, especially with all the crashing, lagging and stuttering when you want to do simple things.
Furthermore, I suggest you read this and put some time to take it all in.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomioger...d-a-data-dive/
It's gonna be hard to swallow for an Apple fanatic, but I trust that you can persevere and speak truth and not BS once you break free from the Apple reality-distortion field.
Anandtech did some tests.
__________________
Mac: rMBP'12, iMac'08/24", Mini'09, MBP'10/15", MBA'11/13". iPhone: 5s/64S 5/64B, 4S/64W, 4/32B, 3GS/16. iPT: 3G,1G. iPad: Air,Mini2,4,3/LTE/64 2/3G/32, 1/WiFi/16. ATV'12,'11, AEBS'09, TC'13/2TB
haruhiko is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 05:56 AM   #37
kdarling
macrumors Demi-God
 
kdarling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Device engineer 30+ yrs, touchscreens 23+.
/////////// What this patent is really about \\\\\\\\\

Okay, at first I was just as fooled as everyone else by the description that every blog on the planet is using. As usual, that description is misleading.

This is NOT a patent for content-based auto-brightness done on the mobile device itself. (*)

In this patent, the brightness determination is done externally...
  • a media server looks at the requested content type or data, and
  • using preset user preferences for that type,
  • adjusts either the content itself before serving it, and/or
  • commands the mobile device to adjust its brightness.

The idea is to conserve battery power on the mobile device displaying the content.

(*) However, the Galaxy S2 does have such a feature
kdarling is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 07:49 AM   #38
NT1440
macrumors G3
 
NT1440's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hartford, CT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timzer View Post
Let me introduce you to join this thread.
Which had nothing to do with what I said. You guys can talk all day about having a new snapdragon under the hood, or having NFC that you can use all of once a day (until a real player busts open the NFC piņata), but the spec junkies still have to acknowledge that they need more power for the same results, thats sad.
NT1440 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 08:45 AM   #39
Tussen69
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurael View Post
So Apple now holds a patent on something else people have been doing for years? Never used a TV/Monitor with dynamic contrast? Tegra 3 Android devices have a similar feature for video playback called SmartDimmer... And I'm sure there are probably dozens of other examples of content-related backlight control. Opening the camera app on my One X causes the screen to blind me too. This is simply ridiculous.

What on Earth is wrong with the US patent system? Why does it allow this to keep happening?!
Apple invited it in 2002 . Thats 10 years ago .. If Apple where first with the future and others manufactures copied it 5 years ago .. Apple still invented it 10 years ago ... ergo Appel where first .. if there no prior art of 2002 Appel has every right to sue anyone who copy .
Tussen69 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 08:50 AM   #40
Marcus-k
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussen69 View Post
Apple invited it in 2002 . Thats 10 years ago .. If Apple where first with the future and others manufactures copied it 5 years ago .. Apple still invented it 10 years ago ... ergo Appel where first .. if there no prior art of 2002 Appel has every right to sue anyone who copy .
If they didn't patent it then they can't sue. And do you really beleive that Apple was the inventor of dimming a screen?
Marcus-k is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 01:53 PM   #41
Bahroo
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timzer View Post
Wow, you really gotta get out more.
Ever heard of Smart Stay, Smart Alarm, Direct Call, etc..?
BTW, these are features that already exist on an eight month old phone, the Galaxy S3. Yeah, unlike Apple, Samsung has focused on the little things too, but without ignoring specs.
hahah i had a GS3 and half of those features didnt even work half the time i tried to do it. The palm swipe takes alot of practice to be able to do it and even then it didnt my register my hand all the time.
Bahroo is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 02:45 PM   #42
AidenShaw
macrumors G5
 
AidenShaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Peninsula
OT - but just let out a burst of laughter when the browser's "fit the <title> tag to the space available" algorithm labeled the tab for this as:
Apple Granted Patent on Meth
__________________
Edward Snowden - American Hero.
Daniel Ellsberg: "Edward Snowden: Saving Us from the United Stasi of America"
AidenShaw is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 02:47 PM   #43
thasan
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: uk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus-k View Post
If they didn't patent it then they can't sue. And do you really beleive that Apple was the inventor of dimming a screen?
I love it how you manage to simplify this to 'dimming' screen and the timing issue
thasan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 03:35 PM   #44
kdarling
macrumors Demi-God
 
kdarling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Device engineer 30+ yrs, touchscreens 23+.
If you skimmed the thread and still think the patent is a phone about auto-dimming its screen automatically...

No, it's not. Please scroll up and read Post #37 for an explanation.

Or read this:

It's for a media server commanding the phone to change brightness to conserve battery, when the phone accesses different types of content on the server. Or sometimes for the media server to manipulate the brightness on the content before serving it to the phone.
kdarling is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23, 2013, 06:24 PM   #45
turtlez
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by sc4rf4c3 View Post
Yeah what big things?
really? lol

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by sc4rf4c3 View Post
Yeah what big things?
since you're the 2nd person asking I better just answer obvious stuff.

-They changed the music industry with their iPod
-They changed the computer industry with their iPad (not to mention competitors were laughing at the idea of the iPad when it first released saying it would never sell and it was just an oversized iPod)
-Everyone copies Apple design from tiny chinese companies to huge korean ones. Obviously they must have done something pretty epic in that department right?
-They push technology to improve faster, first to adopt stuff and market the heck out of it.
-Apple created a lifestyle with seemless integration between a lot of electronic consumer products, which had not existed before.
-Probably one of the biggest ones. They are so far ahead of 2nd place on the stock market in such a short amount of time.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timzer View Post
Wow, you really gotta get out more.
Ever heard of Smart Stay, Smart Alarm, Direct Call, etc..?
BTW, these are features that already exist on an eight month old phone, the Galaxy S3. Yeah, unlike Apple, Samsung has focused on the little things too, but without ignoring specs.
I use voice on my S3 to call someone, 9/10 times it calls the wrong person. I use voice on my brother's iPhone 5 and never failed yet. You can make small things all you want but half assing them vs getting them right is another thing.

edit: yeah! i have the s3 and i know it is not as good in looks, feel and performance than my brothers iPhone5. choppy animations anyone?
turtlez is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Mar 5, 2013, 09:01 PM   #46
muncyweb
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Dimming PART of the Screen

Dimming just PART of the screen at a time. Now that would be something. I assume that's not what this patent is about though.

Another way Apple could increase battery life would be to use all that space it saved making the phone smaller over the course of the last several years and simply increase the size of the battery back up to the size of the original iPhone. Call it iPhoneLL (long life) and charge more for double the battery life. Wrap it in rubber and you've got something my dad might actually use on his work sites...lol
muncyweb is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:23 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC