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Old Jul 30, 2013, 08:35 AM   #1
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Are Steam games for Mac native to OS X

Or are they wrappers? I've got a Wishlist of games I want to buy, but rather would have them be OS X native (better performance if coded properly) than some wrapper/emulator.

Looking to buy:

The Witcher
The Witcher 2
Borderlands 2
Portal 2
Civilization 5
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 08:42 AM   #2
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I can tell you Portal 2 does, its the only one I have from that list
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 12:03 PM   #3
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Or are they wrappers? I've got a Wishlist of games I want to buy, but rather would have them be OS X native (better performance if coded properly) than some wrapper/emulator.

Looking to buy:

The Witcher
The Witcher 2
Borderlands 2
Portal 2
Civilization 5
Those are all native except for the first Witcher game which I believe was done with Wineskin.
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 02:14 PM   #4
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Borderland 2, Civ5 and Portal 2 all run great on os x. no wrapper stuff going on while loading or anything.
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 03:47 PM   #5
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Counter Strike Global Offensive is native Mac game too. I think Rage might be native mac game too though I am not sure it. Every game that Valve produces are native mac games.
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 04:13 PM   #6
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Counter Strike Global Offensive is native Mac game too. I think Rage might be native mac game too though I am not sure it. Every game that Valve produces are native mac games.
Yes, Rage is native. Almost all games are native that are on steam. The most recent one that's cider is Max Payne 3, and I've heard that game has problems. On GOG, it's the reverse, but it doesn't matter as they are all old games.

I wouldn't worry about the underlying tech so much as if the port works well or not. There are some cider ports that suck, but there are native ports that suck, too. (Assassin's Creed 2 is native, but it isn't that great.)
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 09:23 PM   #7
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Yes, Rage is native. Almost all games are native that are on steam. The most recent one that's cider is Max Payne 3, and I've heard that game has problems. On GOG, it's the reverse, but it doesn't matter as they are all old games.

I wouldn't worry about the underlying tech so much as if the port works well or not. There are some cider ports that suck, but there are native ports that suck, too. (Assassin's Creed 2 is native, but it isn't that great.)
I did not play AC II on my Mac, hence I do not make any comment about it. Also Dragon Age II is native Mac games as well. I installed that game like 3 months ago because of the discount any it works well on my computer. I hope Mac games will increase next years. Bioshock will be next....
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 11:08 PM   #8
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I did not play AC II on my Mac, hence I do not make any comment about it. Also Dragon Age II is native Mac games as well. I installed that game like 3 months ago because of the discount any it works well on my computer. I hope Mac games will increase next years. Bioshock will be next....
DA2 is actually cider (transgaming did the port.)
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Old Jul 30, 2013, 11:40 PM   #9
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Or are they wrappers? I've got a Wishlist of games I want to buy, but rather would have them be OS X native (better performance if coded properly) than some wrapper/emulator.

Looking to buy:

The Witcher
The Witcher 2
Borderlands 2
Portal 2
Civilization 5
Some of them are native, some are wrappers.

I can comment on the witcher and BL2: it's a wrapper. Still performs pretty well but i have seen it crash.

BL2: not sure, but have not seen a crash, and performs about same as windows version (i have a copy in bootcamp as well).

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DA2 is actually cider (transgaming did the port.)
Yup. It's also garbage and not worthy of being a sequel
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Old Jul 31, 2013, 01:18 AM   #10
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DA2 is actually cider (transgaming did the port.)
That was actually true, I thought it came out like native Mac game, because of retail version. Well they did a great job then. Although first Dragon Age's mac version was released a month later than original one.
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Some of them are native, some are wrappers.

I can comment on the witcher and BL2: it's a wrapper. Still performs pretty well but i have seen it crash.

BL2: not sure, but have not seen a crash, and performs about same as windows version (i have a copy in bootcamp as well).



Yup. It's also garbage and not worthy of being a sequel
Dirtyharry above was correct, they are all native except for The Witcher.
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Dirtyharry above was correct, they are all native except for The Witcher.
Yeah, i edied my post and put "And borerlands 2" in teh wrong place. That looks native, but definitely the witcher is not. and it crashes :-\

If I'd known it wasn't native i would have just used my PC version in WINE.
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Old Jul 31, 2013, 07:52 AM   #13
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Ok, so the Witcher 2 is native, but NOT Witcher 1? Can't wait for the fall Steam sale.
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Old Jul 31, 2013, 09:43 AM   #14
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Borderlands 2 is definitely native and so far is a very good port in my experience. You will need a proper two button mouse so you can zoom and shoot

XCOM (not on your list) is native as are all games released by Feral. Although right now only XCOM from the Feral games library is available on Steam.
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Old Jul 31, 2013, 11:11 AM   #15
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How can I tell if a game uses a wrapper (e.g. Cider)? Do you do like a Get Info on the Application file, or some other way to find out by inspecting the game files? I'd like to know the process.
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How can I tell if a game uses a wrapper (e.g. Cider)? Do you do like a Get Info on the Application file, or some other way to find out by inspecting the game files? I'd like to know the process.
If it's Feral or Aspyr, you know it's native and you don't need to do anything.

If it's GOG and a game that is older than two years, it is WINE or DosBox.

If it's ported by transgaming, it's Wine, for obvious reasons. If it's published by EA itself, it's also Wine, except for the new SimCity coming out next month.

That should take care of most games. Other than that, you can right-click on "show package contents" of the app and see for yourself.
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How can I tell if a game uses a wrapper (e.g. Cider)? Do you do like a Get Info on the Application file, or some other way to find out by inspecting the game files? I'd like to know the process.
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If it's Feral or Aspyr, you know it's native and you don't need to do anything.

If it's GOG and a game that is older than two years, it is WINE or DosBox.

If it's ported by transgaming, it's Wine, for obvious reasons. If it's published by EA itself, it's also Wine, except for the new SimCity coming out next month.

That should take care of most games. Other than that, you can right-click on "show package contents" of the app and see for yourself.
Ditto what Cougarcat said.

I would also add that as a rule, all Valve games are native along with anything from Blizzard.
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