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Dec 4, 2012, 12:20 PM
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This way, anyone that takes sides against either the Israelis or Palestinians is an anti-semite. Hooray.
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Dec 4, 2012, 01:43 PM
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I don't agree with what Apple is doing there and I'm willing to say that loud and clear. |
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Dec 4, 2012, 04:30 PM
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Btw ScottishDuck, kudos for the irony comment, it's a sad state of affairs. |
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Dec 4, 2012, 10:20 PM
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As to Israel's "brutal" "occupation," seems you're missing a few facts yourself. Here's one to research: why haven't the "Palestinians" been welcomed with open arms by their brethren in other countries? Hint: it wasn't called Black September because it was puckishly mordant. |
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Dec 5, 2012, 04:11 AM
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As for Black September: you're kidding, right? Black September was formed with the intention of overthrowing the Jordanian king who was a pawn of the US and Israel (much like the Shah was in Iran, backed by his murderous Savak secret police). Btw, your use here of the term 'puckishly mordant' is abysmal. In fact, I'm a little embarrassed for you. It's cute, but completely out of context. Nice try, though. |
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Dec 5, 2012, 04:24 AM
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1) Syria leader killing thousand of people on daily basis. 2) same goes with every other country in that area around Israel I wonder why I don't see any of the people in the UN say ANYTHING about what is going on those area of the world. ---------- Quote:
while the Israel state gave them every inch of Gaza back, as they wanted? Can you explain the logic? Why when Israel left Gaza the Hamas (terror group like EL kaida, in case anyone forget ) took over instead of the Palestinians? Why Iran send thousand of rockets and ammunition to the Gaza strip instead of food, water, and medicine? (while Israel continue to do so?) |
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Dec 5, 2012, 08:46 AM
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2) That's BS. Not every country is doing that 3) You obviously don't watch the news do you because plenty has been said in the UN about these issues You seem to forget to mention the fact that Israel has once again indiscriminately killed many innocent Palestinian women and children in their latest military action. I think the recent UN vote clearly demonstrates what the rest of the world think of Israel and how most right minded people support the Palestinian cause. Apartheid Israel is no different to apartheid South Africa and I don't think Apple should be supporting such a regime. |
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Dec 5, 2012, 09:05 AM
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quote : "You seem to forget to mention the fact that Israel has once again indiscriminately killed many innocent Palestinian women and children in their latest military action. " Did you ask yourself why the military action (which was totally right.) started? how about take the history clock and move it backwards few days before the military action? ( or years..) Have you read the news in that time frame, of the rockets that Hamas launch to Israel, on daily basis without any reason at all? Have you read the news that Israel didn't do A THING to Gaza, and asked day after day to stop this madness of rockets? Do you or any of your relatives will tolerate more then thousand rockets launched on your house in UK daily! , what do you think the British government will do? How many rockets will you and your government will tolerate on London before they will react? (1 missile? 2? 1000000? ) And again I remind you that those rockets being launched with no reason at all. ( there is a reason to eliminate Israel) How do you think Israel should have responded after the 1000 rocket? and after explaining over and over to Hamas, Egypt, and the world that this state is unbearable . What do you allow to a country to do in this state? when all negations fail, and the other side keep shooting rockets on your children school (DAILY! ) ? WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???? And about Apple believe me, Apple, you and all the readers here, and apple users in the world will enjoy greatly from the Israeli minds. Last edited by Overg; Dec 5, 2012 at 09:47 AM. |
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Dec 5, 2012, 05:58 PM
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Rockets being fired for no reason at all, eh? What about the ongoing settlement building, in direct contravention of the Geneva convention which forbids settlement of occupied territories? Your own Prime Minister even increased settlement building as punishment for the Palestinians seeking (and gaining) UN observer nation status. The major European governments were so incensed by this that they pulled in the Israeli ambassadors to admonish them for such a childish act of petulance. It's an apartheid state that's losing friends fast, while Palestinian sympathy grows (just look at the UN statehood vote results). Shame on Apple for getting involved in this place. Btw, you asked Shaun what he would do in Israel's position. Shaun's people were attacked and bombed for many years by the IRA, yet the British government never bulldozed villages or sent in helicopter gunships to attack the populace. The illegal settlements (and the psychopathic settlers) have to go before any sort of lasting peace can be attained. I just wonder whether Israel really wants peace at all. |
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Dec 5, 2012, 06:22 PM
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As far as I recall apartheid means that you take people rights to vote, and rule them. If we look on today Palestinian state, please tell me, is Israel ( in gaza case) ruling them in any way? Answer : no Do they have the right to vote? Answer: yes they do, they choose Hamas in gaza. And in the West Bank they choose Palestinian authority. So I don't understand why you and Uk here keep saying apartheid? Care to explain? Also on what settlement are you talking in gaza? There is none. Can you tell me please why a month after Israel withdrawal from every inch of gaza, the Hamas took over and start shooting rockets to Israel ? What was the reason ? Israel left the place as they wanted, gave them all, as the world wanted, and still instead of investing in education, they invest in building this low- lame- tech rockets? Can you tell me please what was el kayde purpose of demolishing the twins tower in NYC? On what area/ settlement USA was standing? West Bank? Are you kidding me? The people who live there enjoy prosperity they can only dream under any Arab regime. Comapre gaza, Egypt, Syria, and West Bank and tell me who is having a better life? When was the last time 10000 people was killed on daily basis in the West Bank. Why Jordan nor Egypt want to take their citizens back or help them, if you recall Gaza located on the north of Egypt for many years, while the West Bank was Jordan part for many years. Can you imagine for example French civilians situated at north of Spain suffer ( as you say) every day from the north Spain regime and France don't want to take them back? Also ask yourself why apple choose to build r&d center in Israel and not in UK, or any other Europe country in that matter. Last edited by Overg; Dec 5, 2012 at 06:31 PM. |
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Dec 6, 2012, 01:43 AM
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Dec 6, 2012, 01:59 AM
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Dec 6, 2012, 06:29 AM
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Israel isn't so daft as to prevent Palestinians from voting. They can vote, but then the Israeli government withholds tax revenue from Hamas and the PA thus preventing the Palestinians' elected representatives from actually governing them. It's a sneaky method of apartheid, but it's still apartheid. Oh, and then they assassinate key party members of Hamas such as Ahmed Al-Jaabari. According to Gershon Baskin, Jaabari was working on the final stages of a ceasefire. Why would Israel possibly want to assassinate a man who would seek to stop the war? Is it possibly because Palestinians had realised the futility of war and instead decided to seek Palestinian statehood through the UN? A lack of war would mean Israel would have no excuse for its illegal occupation. (Oh, and I guess you're gonna tell me that Gershon Baskin is anti-semitic). Why do you bring up 9/11? You're referring to an Afghanistani organisation headed by a Saudi. This obfuscation is pathetic. Quote:
Finally, Overg, I wonder why you keep avoiding the ongoing settlement building and the contravention of the Geneva convention. Please tell me why it continues if Israel is so committed to peace? |
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Dec 6, 2012, 08:37 AM
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Tax ? tax is something that regular country have, ( usually western...) not a land controlled by terror regime (Hamas) that take all the money the world give to this area to support the poor, and plug it into the terror machine, building rockets, camp for suicide bombers. (do you read the news at all? or just mac rumours?) Where all the trillions of dollars went? ah? it is now well known fact that all the money that Israel and the world gave Araft ,(who considered mistakenly, by prim minster Rabin a piece advocate), to help the Palestinian in Gaza and the west bank, went to build army of suicide bombers. the rest went to his wife and himself, to build huge and fancy castle, as the it usually happen in this kind of regime that's no difference then Hussain Sadam. Quote:
Israel will get you, it might take some time, but your clock is ticking. Jaabari was mass murder psychopath! , would you negotiate with bin laden?? Quote:
your lack of understanding the situation and the global terror chain is the problem. it's exactly the same groups, controlled by one big investor - Iran. you and all the Europe community better wake up and smell the coffee. People in Israel are the the front of this terror extremist regimes , and suffer this craziness on daily basis for years. Quote:
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let's take the Golan heights for example, which belong to Syria, for many years, the world community where debating to return the Golan to Syria, for the sake of peace. consider the mass murder that is going on in Syria for few month, combine with the unstable politic and crazy regime that rule this area,chaos. what would you think would have happened to Israel if those land were returned to this psycho ? Also look on Egypt, Israel return Sinai after youm Kipur huge war, and made an historic peace with them, now unstable regime start to raise there, that say : they don't ' accept the peace paper any more, and they want to look into it again. you have to understand Israel is very small country, the only sophisticated western country in this area, around Israel there is terror groups, third unstable world regimes, and crazy leaders, that change their mind every few years. we need security, our neighbours ( sadly ) isn't the Europe community ). maybe this example will help: imagine England, surrounded by three countries with super unstable crazy regime. would you return any piece of your land to those psycho ? Braking news...here we are talking, what do you know... this just came out now..: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/06/wo...sts/index.html Syria 2.... Last edited by Overg; Dec 6, 2012 at 09:44 AM. |
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Dec 6, 2012, 09:58 AM
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1) The reason Hamas started firing rockets into Israel again is because Israel has been assassinating Hamas leaders one by one over the past few months. Would the Israeli's stand back and not retaliate if someone was assassinating their political leaders? I don't think so. 2) Israel is an apartheid regime because there is widespread discrimination against Arab Israeli's. But don't take my word for it - a recent poll in Israel showed that a majority of Israeli's believe they have an apartheid regime. Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8223548.html 3) The UK and it's citizens are well versed in the horrors of terrorism having been subject to IRA terrorism for many years and more recently Al Qaeda terrorism. But we didn't wholesale carpet bomb the hell out of Belfast. We sought to uphold the law and eventually secure a peace settlement. 4) The Israeli's don't want peace. Every time the negotiators get close they scupper it by antagonising Hamas or some other group into retaliating and hey presto the talks stall. The Israeli's want to keep the West Bank, build on it and eventually push out all the Palestinians so all they are left with is two tiny and divided pieces of land in Gaza and a small part of the West Bank. 5) Companies like Apple who put operations in Israel are effectively supporting the regime. When I started in the computer industry the company I worked for had operations in apartheid South Africa. I fought hard internally to get them to change that policy. The money Apple gives by way of wages and taxes simply helps to fuel the Israeli military killing machine. In that respect Apple has blood on their hands. It's only through direct action that things will change. The vast majority of people around the world support the Palestinian cause for freedom from Israeli oppression and slavery. I hope the UN vote is one more step towards achieving that goal. War and killing people will never solve this problem. It takes a big man to stand up and fight for a peace settlement. I'm not convinced Israel or the US has such a political leader or if they ever will have. One lives in hope. |
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:03 AM
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let's look back who started it all, when we left Gaza as the Palestinians demanded, and as the rest of the world wanted, few month after a shower of rockets came from Gaza (especially from the p[laces that Israel left.) , can you explain why ? you seem to ignore it. don't take a random piece of time and start measuring from that point, start from point zero. Quote:
The facts are : - Israeli Arab enjoy life that they never dreamt in any regime around us. They can vote to Israel Knest, they have people that represent them in the Knest, many parties actually. There are many famous, one in particular is Achmed Tibi. -They carry Israeli citizenship and passport. - they don't pay taxes ( while they should, as every other citizen does) , they build illegally in their zone (for example adding more floors to the building, something forbidden by Israeli law, without the proper papers) and the police don't go there and don't bother them. they actually doing what they want, plus enjoying a really good democracy where they can say what they want, on the Knest stage, instead of being butchered like their friends in the Syria side. - they have schools, gardens, like every major city in Israel. you should come and visit them , and tell me if this looks like an apartheid regime, most of them drive fancy cars. Quote:
Those are people with country that you can negotiate with. I suggest you look around on Europe, and see the ticking bomb, eventually it will blow in the Europien face, I wonder what will yo u do then. Will you massacrer 6 millions? like Germany did to the Jaws? Will you start a major land occupation around the world as Britain did all over the history. conquer and kicking the natives out, like you did in New Zealand, Australia, and many more ? When the **** hit the fan in Europe, you start to loose it, but, when it is you , it is OK , right ? Quote:
This is not the first time in the history where the Arabs were giving what they wanted and they retreated. look back on the year 48, when your country wanted to split Israel to two states 70% of the area would go to the Arabs , the rest to Israel. They said NO! and start a war over the rest of the area, can you explain this idiotic logic? Quote:
After all no one is forcing you to buy Apple stuff or other technology that is made by "apartheid" country. In the end I encourage you to see this movie about what the international law is saying about settlement and 1967. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNzOUOvBpgo (by well respected prof.) |
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
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Dec 6, 2012, 11:38 PM
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But at least you tacitly acknowledged the origin of the "Palestinians," whose attempt to overthrow the Jordanian king resulted in their expulsion from Jordan. It was a nice if tiresomely predictable little left-wing fan-dance you attempted about US puppetry etc etc... good try at a diversion, but I'm hoping few readers succumbed to it. Fact: The boundaries of the latter-day Israel were established by the nascent UN. The new country's neighbors immediately attempted to annihilate it. (This was long before the present-day "Palestinians" emerged from their flight from Jordan to become the valuable pawns and grievance chorus they are today, yet Hamas' charter still has as its centerpiece the goal of annihilation of Israel.) It's been one attack on Israel after another since then. And besides the incessant assaults since the dawn of Israel's founding, the one constant is the ability of folks like you to ignore events like the "Palestinian" launches of unguided missiles (yes-- missiles, from the folks whom Chomsky claims have "no heavy weapons, no artillery units") into residential areas within Israel... from launchers staged in Palestinian residential areas, near hospitals, mosques, schools, etc., so any attempt by Israel to defend itself may be spotlighted by Israel's enemies as an atrocity. In spite of all this and despite its tiny size (smaller than California's San Bernardino County) and hardscrabble beginnings just six decades ago, Israel's economic, social, technological and scientific achievements are astounding. Its economy exceeds that of the non-petroleum economies of the rest of the Middle East combined. Women are equals; gays are accepted; muslims serve as full peers in the Knesset... and now the country will be contributing to Apple's R&D, perhaps doing for Apple what it did for Intel, whose mainstream chip architecture took a huge leap based on Israeli developments that led to the Core family. Really, I wish for nothing more than for the rest of the Middle East to take a break from the strife and violence and channel the attitudes, ethics and inclusiveness that have made such a difference in Israel. |
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You know that behind today computer seats human... |
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