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Old Sep 9, 2013, 10:18 AM   #101
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I have a 2009 (I think) iMac. I cant install bootcamp due to broken cd drive, but my gaming experience hasnt been that bad. I played, Bioshock 1,2, WoW, LoL, Assasins creed 1,2,brotherhood, mafia 2. All GTA except 4. Arkham asylum and city, mine craft, terraria, bunch of lego games with my brother, civ 5, HOMM 1-5, cs, sims and there are a bunch out there. Id personally choose the new mac pro and install bootcamp on it. I love mac as a whole, but whenever I wanted to play games quick-switching to windows is great.
EDIT: But if gaming is your priority, and youre not a hardcore mac fan, a rigged gaming pc would work better for you.
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Old Sep 9, 2013, 10:28 AM   #102
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Macs are grand for gaming, and only getting better.

Here's a thread about some relevant sites and channels just about mac gaming.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1630569
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 04:49 AM   #103
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One of my all time fav games available on mac! I wouldn't play it any other way.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:08 AM   #104
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Thanks for your response. Do you know this from personal experience or hearsay? I ask because I have heard different opinions thrown around regarding this issue. There's no way I'm dropping a few grand on a computer that can't run the latest and greatest games at the highest settings.
This is gaming only.

I have an iMac 27, rmbp 15, Alienware 18 and a gaming PC 2xtitan.

The retina MacBook Pro v Alienware , so competition, mac book pro is crap.

The iMac v PC, huge win to the PC.

If you want to play the latest and greatest on highest setting at adequate FPS, it has to be a PC.

Macs are awesome, just not at gaming. They are good at gaming.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:09 AM   #105
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I have a 2009 (I think) iMac. I cant install bootcamp due to broken cd drive, but my gaming experience hasnt been that bad. I played, Bioshock 1,2, WoW, LoL, Assasins creed 1,2,brotherhood, mafia 2. All GTA except 4. Arkham asylum and city, mine craft, terraria, bunch of lego games with my brother, civ 5, HOMM 1-5, cs, sims and there are a bunch out there. Id personally choose the new mac pro and install bootcamp on it. I love mac as a whole, but whenever I wanted to play games quick-switching to windows is great.
EDIT: But if gaming is your priority, and youre not a hardcore mac fan, a rigged gaming pc would work better for you.
I can play all my fav games maxed out at more than 60fps so I'd say that is good!
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:23 AM   #106
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Thanks for all the advice guys. After considering the opinions on this thread. I have decided to just build a new PC since my primary focus is gaming.
I talked to a friend of mine the other day, who is not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. For this reason I feel his opinion holds a little bit more weight. He owns a MacBook Pro which cost him about $3000 and he also has a self built PC which cost him about $1500.
He says that his PC runs games better than his Mac does. This was the deal breaker for me.
He says that he uses his Mac for video editing and his PC for gaming.
Thanks again everyone for sharing your thoughts on this matter.


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Dollar for dollar value, the PC will always win in relation to gaming .

You can do your own research. Decide how much you wish to spend. For that see what Mac product you can get and see what GPU it has, check how that GPU performs in the game you will most likely play the most. With the same $ see what PC you can buy! and compare that GPU. The PC side will give you a very healthy advantage.

The best apple has is 2x7970. The 7970 is very dated in the gaming circles.

If you have the money, the Mac Pro is a expansive compromise that will game well.

Though be careful asking for advice on MR on gaming, a lot of people here find thier gaming experience on macs to be very good here. It's what u are used to. If these people got behind a proper gaming PC , they would be surprised how fluid and smooth gaming can be with higher "gaming" specs.

Just adding. The Old Mac Pro can be upgraded to our perform the current nMP.

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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:34 AM   #107
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Dollar for dollar value, the PC will always win in relation to gaming .
Quite true, if your sole purpose, or certainly primary activity for the machine is gaming a custom windows system is a far far better option.
For the price of a new 6core mac pro you could being gaming comfortably at UHD/4K with windows.

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Though be careful asking for advice on MR on gaming, a lot of people here find thier gaming experience on macs to be very good here. It's what u are used to. If these people got behind a proper gaming PC , they would be surprised how fluid and smooth gaming can be with higher "gaming" specs.
There are also those like myself that have experience both, and went vice versa.
Gaming isn't the past time it use to be, but it's still a fun hobby.
So for me personally my Mac fills both roles rather well, since I haven't been one for the top of the ranged, maxed out gaming experience since around 2011.
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There are also those like myself that have experience both, and went vice versa.
Gaming isn't the past time it use to be, but it's still a fun hobby.
So for me personally my Mac fills both roles rather well, since I haven't been one for the top of the ranged, maxed out gaming experience since around 2011.
Its good having people like yourself that has used both and can give a fair comparison. People who only game on macs, I don't want to be rude, but they do not know what they are missing out on. Its a large jump when you run a dedicated gaming PC.

I would never let go of my Macs, on the same side, I will never get rid of my Gaming PC, the gap is too far.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 06:49 AM   #109
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Its good having people like yourself that has used both and can give a fair comparison. People who only game on macs, I don't want to be rude, but they do not know what they are missing out on. Its a large jump when you run a dedicated gaming PC.

I would never let go of my Macs, on the same side, I will never get rid of my Gaming PC, the gap is too far.
It all depends on what the main purpose of the machine is for really. I also now prefer just having a single computer. Personal preference.
I sometimes miss just going into a game and maxing everything, bar silly QSAA although even now I can have a good experience at decent visuals.
If I had a copy of Windows 8, I'd certainly try some bootcamp gaming, since Crossfire is supported.

Although I think it's rather bizarre to wholeheartedly recommend just a mac spey for gaming purposes.

Although what is nice is that UHD gaming only requires a lot of power if you want to run at max settings.
Over at Overclockes.co.uk people have been running tests with the new Samsung UHD display, and it seems you can comfortably game at medium settings in BF4 on a 7870XT

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...&postcount=370

That entire thread is extremely interesting.
I might get a copy of Windows 8 just to try it out after getting a UHD monitor.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 07:48 AM   #110
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The only thing I miss from PC gaming is being able to do Eyefinity style widescreen. I have D700's and 3x27" monitors which would be glorious. Maddening that Apple doesn't enable that.

Otherwise I only play a few games that are available on Mac so that's easy. Namely Lord of the Rings Online, Civ 5 and maybe I'll try SimCity. No time or interest for anything else. But I do keep my old Mac Pro around for widescreen LOTRO gaming.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 02:52 AM   #111
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The only thing I miss from PC gaming is being able to do Eyefinity style widescreen. I have D700's and 3x27" monitors which would be glorious. Maddening that Apple doesn't enable that.

Otherwise I only play a few games that are available on Mac so that's easy. Namely Lord of the Rings Online, Civ 5 and maybe I'll try SimCity. No time or interest for anything else. But I do keep my old Mac Pro around for widescreen LOTRO gaming.
Oh look, a wild Mac Pro has appeared...
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 07:06 AM   #112
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Yeah, I have 256GB flash on my nMP, and don't like rebooting just to play a game (have to set all my windows up again) so haven't set up bootcamp yet.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 08:29 AM   #113
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The only macs that are great for gaming are the classic Mac pros.
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 06:57 PM   #114
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The only macs that are great for gaming are the classic Mac pros.
What? My 6-core nMP with dual D700s will run circles around any classic Mac Pro for gaming. Why? Because you can run the D700s in Crossfire under Windows. It's not cheap, but a nMP with dual D700s actually makes a hell of a gaming machine under Windows because of Crossfire support -- the D700s are basically slightly lower-clocked R9 280s / HD 7970s.
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What? My 6-core nMP with dual D700s will run circles around any classic Mac Pro for gaming. Why? Because you can run the D700s in Crossfire under Windows. It's not cheap, but a nMP with dual D700s actually makes a hell of a gaming machine under Windows because of Crossfire support -- the D700s are basically slightly lower-clocked R9 280s / HD 7970s.
Think through what you just wrote.

How many graphic cards can you get into oMP?? And yes under windows you can crossfire/sli.

Let's just say that you can load up a oMP with cards that make you 7970s slow in comparison
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Old Apr 13, 2014, 07:49 PM   #116
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Crossfire support under Windows is also a big dodgy at the moment. While in some games, and tests crossfire works, and you get great performance; in others it doesn't seem to work right at all.




Dual FirePro D700s Unigine Heaven Benchmark at Extreme & Basic settings for a 2013 Mac Pro. Although despite Crossfire being enabled, and getting a decent score in 3Dmark, the scores in Unigine are rather lacklustre

Dual D700s Direct X


Dual D700s Direct X


Heaven Benchmark: Single D700 OpenGL 4.0


Valley Benchmark: Single D700 OpenGL 4.0



Attempting to run Unigine benchmarks in OpenGL on windows only resulted in partially loaded objects, blurs, and artefacts.

I did play Titanfall with everything on high and textures on Insane, with 4xMSAA, and it was buttery smooth.
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What? My 6-core nMP with dual D700s will run circles around any classic Mac Pro for gaming. Why? Because you can run the D700s in Crossfire under Windows. It's not cheap, but a nMP with dual D700s actually makes a hell of a gaming machine under Windows because of Crossfire support -- the D700s are basically slightly lower-clocked R9 280s / HD 7970s.
Yeah I ran titans in sli. It was also possible to physically fit 3 dual slot GPUs lol 3 titans. Before that I ran 670 sli. And next it might be possible to run two titan z for quad sli in a classic Mac Pro. How much further will those d700s last for gaming in more demanding future games.
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Think through what you just wrote.

How many graphic cards can you get into oMP?? And yes under windows you can crossfire/sli.

Let's just say that you can load up a oMP with cards that make you 7970s slow in comparison
I've never had an old Mac Pro so I wasn't aware you could could run Crossfire/SLI under Windows -- from the little bit I'd read about it I'd assumed you couldn't. But, between the hacks you need to get Crossfire/SLI to work on the oMP, and the hacks you need to get unsupported video cards to work, and the power supply hacks you might need to get multiple video cards to run correctly in an oMP -- heck, at that point, I'd just build my own PC. I still have a home-built i7-965 PC with quad-SLI GTX 295s in it but needless to say my nMP runs circles around that.

I'll concede that you're right about running SLI/Crossfire on an oMP, but I still think it's a stretch to claim that "The only macs that are great for gaming are the classic Mac pros." My nMP does a damned good job. Oh yeah...and it has PCIe 3.0 graphics cards, USB 3, Thunderbolt 2, 802.11ac, quad-channel DDR3, and other stuff you'll never get on an oMP without a lot more hacking and/or expense!

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Yeah I ran titans in sli. It was also possible to physically fit 3 dual slot GPUs lol 3 titans. Before that I ran 670 sli. And next it might be possible to run two titan z for quad sli in a classic Mac Pro. How much further will those d700s last for gaming in more demanding future games.
You might have a point, but the flip side to that coin is that in your case you're chucking a lot of video card horsepower into an outdated platform. It's also possible (although, granted, unlikely) that future nMP GPUs might be compatible with the current nMP.

I don't use my nMP primarily for gaming. It just happens to do a good job at it. However, it seems to me that if you're running dual Titans in a oMP, and you're talking about upgrading to Titan Zs, you're using your oMP primarily as a gaming computer. IMHO that's tantamount to throwing good money after bad by investing so much in a dated platform that lacks modern CPU and I/O performance. If that's your use-case, I'd recommend cutting your losses and building a custom gaming PC. That's what I'd do if my primary use case was video games.
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I've never had an old Mac Pro so I wasn't aware you could could run Crossfire/SLI under Windows -- from the little bit I'd read about it I'd assumed you couldn't. But, between the hacks you need to get Crossfire/SLI to work on the oMP, and the hacks you need to get unsupported video cards to work, and the power supply hacks you might need to get multiple video cards to run correctly in an oMP -- heck, at that point, I'd just build my own PC. I still have a home-built i7-965 PC with quad-SLI GTX 295s in it but needless to say my nMP runs circles around that.

I'll concede that you're right about running SLI/Crossfire on an oMP, but I still think it's a stretch to claim that "The only macs that are great for gaming are the classic Mac pros." My nMP does a damned good job. Oh yeah...and it has PCIe 3.0 graphics cards, USB 3, Thunderbolt 2, 802.11ac, quad-channel DDR3, and other stuff you'll never get on an oMP without a lot more hacking and/or expense![COLOR="#808080"]
Your new Mac Pro does a fine job at gaming. And the classic Mac Pro still still has lots left under the bonnet if you wish to take advantage of after market hardware.

You have a great machine. Enjoy it.
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