[All iPads] 802.11 ac - MacRumors Forums
Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iPad

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Jun 15, 2013, 06:30 AM   #1
rovex
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
802.11 ac

Can we expect both the mini and full size to take up this chip? With all the issues about poor wifi from the mini in particular, is it fair to assume we'll see an update?
rovex is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 15, 2013, 08:21 PM   #2
beautifulcoder
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: The Republic of Texas
I don't see why not. With all the big deal they made of ac versus n/g at the WWDC keynote it would be a dumb move for Apple not to include it in both models. I don't think Apple is into shooting themselves in the foot, at least not yet.
beautifulcoder is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 16, 2013, 04:35 PM   #3
WilliamG
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Quote:
Originally Posted by beautifulcoder View Post
I don't see why not. With all the big deal they made of ac versus n/g at the WWDC keynote it would be a dumb move for Apple not to include it in both models. I don't think Apple is into shooting themselves in the foot, at least not yet.
Actually, it makes little sense to have AC in the iPads. It's really designed for home networking systems where you do large transfers between computers. I can't wait for that since I do such things between my Mac computers. For my iPad/iPhone? No interest.
__________________
iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPad, iPhone, 55-11
www.bighugenerd.com
WilliamG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 16, 2013, 04:39 PM   #4
Bear
macrumors G3
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sol III - Terra
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post
Actually, it makes little sense to have AC in the iPads.
...
Actually it makes a lot of sense. There's extra overhead if you have a mix of 802.11b/g/n/ac devices on the same network.

Also, it's a checkbox on technical specs that consumers look at. "Oh, it's got the latest."

And finally, I don't think there is a real cost difference to Apple to include 802.11ac in the iOS devices, so why not?
__________________
-----Bear
Bear is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 16, 2013, 10:28 PM   #5
mrmarts
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Melbourne Australia
it is a cool feature to have when i get a new Ipad, as I heard the AC standard increase the distances of wi fi coverage in a home. But I doubt i will be using the feature anytime soon, as my network providers router is the N standard and so is my time-capsule. Maybe when all my my devices use the AC standard I might make the switch for now I'am happy with the N standard.
__________________
Late 2013 13" MacBook Pro Retina | Time Capsule 2TB | Iphone 5 64GB Black | Apple TV 3 Bedroom | iMac 27" Late 2013: i7 3.5 GHz, 16GB Ram, 3TB Fusion, 780M, Pre Ordered |Ipad Air 128Gb Space Grey
mrmarts is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2013, 01:39 AM   #6
WilliamG
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bear View Post
Actually it makes a lot of sense. There's extra overhead if you have a mix of 802.11b/g/n/ac devices on the same network.

Also, it's a checkbox on technical specs that consumers look at. "Oh, it's got the latest."

And finally, I don't think there is a real cost difference to Apple to include 802.11ac in the iOS devices, so why not?
Is there any extra overhead? Currently I use my iPhone 5 on the 2.4Ghz G network, and my iMac and Mac mini on the 5Ghz N network. Two separate SSIDs (on most modern routers, including the Time Capsule). There's no additional overhead since that's two separate bands.

I use my iPhone 5 on 2.4Ghz G because quite frankly the antenna isn't strong enough to maintain a good signal/connection to the 5Ghz N band (in my house at least) so I gave up. My iMac and Mac mini have much stronger antennas so no issue there over N. Remember, 5Ghz N has much less range than 2.4Ghz B/G.

So, I'm going to guess leaving my iPhone 5 not connected to AC won't have any effect on overhead when other devices ARE connected to AC.

Potentially with the beamforming of AC, it might be possible to give the iPhone/iPad a better signal, but I wonder at what cost to battery life it will come at? It's certainly not critical in my eyes, for the iOS devices to get AC. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
__________________
iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPad, iPhone, 55-11
www.bighugenerd.com
WilliamG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2013, 01:50 AM   #7
Mrbobb
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post
Actually, it makes little sense to have AC in the iPads. It's really designed for home networking systems where you do large transfers between computers.
So people don't use iPads at home?

Now you are thinking single-thread, single user, what if Mr. Smith family of 10 are trying to use the WIFI simultaneously?

Anywhoo, need it or not, the tech-world is "My stuff is faster than your stuff" so Apple will be pressured to put AC on their stuff because the competitors have them. That's just the order of things.
__________________
Solution: FREE, Explanation: Is gonna cost ya.
Mrbobb is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jun 17, 2013, 02:25 AM   #8
WilliamG
macrumors 601
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrbobb View Post
So people don't use iPads at home?

Now you are thinking single-thread, single user, what if Mr. Smith family of 10 are trying to use the WIFI simultaneously?

Anywhoo, need it or not, the tech-world is "My stuff is faster than your stuff" so Apple will be pressured to put AC on their stuff because the competitors have them. That's just the order of things.
Of course people use iPads at home. But I don't really see the use case for AC for iPhones or iPads. I'm sure someday they will get AC. Just not anytime soon I'd imagine. I use many devices over 2.4Ghz and never have an issue. Numerous wifi printers, two iPads, two iPhones, XBOX, 360, Wii U, Wii, 3DS, Vita etc. Often at least 6-10 devices are connected simultaneously. I also live in a busy city with a lot of wifi signals (downtown Seattle). No issues.

Of course that can vary from person to person.

Again, AC is not designed with iPads/iPhones in mind. Home networking/file sharing is its main purpose. Unless synching with iTunes at blistering speeds is important.
__________________
iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPad, iPhone, 55-11
www.bighugenerd.com
WilliamG is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jul 3, 2013, 01:01 AM   #9
acuriouslad
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
They will, Wifi Syncing of devices will greatly benefit if you have an AC network.
__________________
MacBook Air 2012
2.0GHz i7
8GB RAM
256GB SSD
acuriouslad is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 01:40 PM   #10
Apple Fan 21
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Still rocking my iPad 2, waiting for AC in the mini. Now I'm also waiting for the finger print scanner now. Loving in on my 5S. So will we finally see these features on the iPads in 2014???
Apple Fan 21 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 05:15 PM   #11
Nevaborn
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
I would think just the possibility of extending the range would make people happy to have AC.

Personally every place I go and people I know they have very thick walls and the wifi range is severely limited so this would be helpful
Nevaborn is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 05:34 PM   #12
docal97
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Southampton
Quote:
Originally Posted by rovex View Post
Can we expect both the mini and full size to take up this chip? With all the issues about poor wifi from the mini in particular, is it fair to assume we'll see an update?
What are all of the issues w/ poor wifi in the mini that you are referring to? I have the rMini and have never had an issue.
docal97 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 05:38 PM   #13
Brian Y
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Using the speediest app my rMini gets over 80mbps from the router above (Airport Extreme, 5GHz N). If I stand near the router, it's over 100. I don't really see how a tablet would need more than that!
Brian Y is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 08:54 PM   #14
calvol
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
The .ac chips aren't mature yet, good thing they weren't on the Air this year. The MBA forums are full of complaints with .ac issues (Broadcom was the supplier this year, wouldn't be surprised to see them lose their contract next year).
calvol is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2013, 11:48 PM   #15
Altis
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Y View Post
Using the speediest app my rMini gets over 80mbps from the router above (Airport Extreme, 5GHz N). If I stand near the router, it's over 100. I don't really see how a tablet would need more than that!
I feel that way about 3G vs LTE. 1 MB/s seems to be more than adequate for the things I can download anyway.

PS. This thread is old enough that the original posters might not be back.
Altis is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > iPhone, iPod and iPad > iPad

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How is your new 802.11 ac fhopper iMac 22 Oct 10, 2013 09:41 AM
PowerBook G4 802.11b AirPort and 802.11ac Time Capsule abingor PowerPC Macs 0 Jul 27, 2013 03:19 AM
802.11ac dantheman5398 MacBook Pro 13 Feb 17, 2013 12:25 PM
802.11n -> 802.11ac SparkyCanada MacBook Pro 35 Feb 5, 2013 11:45 PM
802.11g --> 802.11n improvements? evangw Mac Peripherals 11 Aug 10, 2012 12:14 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:48 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC