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View Poll Results: Do you still support the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare?
Was for it, Still for it 99 44.59%
Was for it, now against it 5 2.25%
Was against it, still against it 107 48.20%
Was against it, now for it. 4 1.80%
Had no opinion then, have no opinion now. 5 2.25%
Other 2 0.90%
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 07:07 AM   #576
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The tide is turning??
Indeed it is. When Fox Business is openly contradicting the disinformation spewed by their sister operation Fox News, you know something is not right.

Don't be fooled by another 'Obamacare horror story

My guess is that Fox Business knows the truth will come out eventually. It also realizes it's readership is smart enough to see what's really been going on over at Fox News and Americans for Prosperity. So if Fox Business doesn't come clean now, they will eventually be outed and lose credibility/readership. They've chosen to hold onto their readers. Smart business decision.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 10:41 AM   #577
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Seen in the news where Canadians come to the U.S for care, so I'm not sure how good your system is
Huh. I've seen in the news where U.S. cancer patients travel to Mexico for care.

By your standard, that must mean the U.S. system isn't so good either.

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Some practitioners of alternative medicine who treat cancer using unproven and unapproved therapies -- especially those who market their treatment as a "cure" -- have moved just across the Mexican border, where they are still able to attract US patients.

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Old Mar 5, 2014, 10:42 AM   #578
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Americans pay on average over ~10% less in total tax burden than other OECD countries.

You should pay more in taxes because that's what it takes to run a modern society ... which (IMO) the U.S. is in danger of not maintaining.


It is a little misleading, though, because people in the U.S. end up paying a gargantuan percentage of GDP on healthcare, which puts us right back up near the top when you consider that healthcare is included in all of those high-tax countries. And, in the U.S., healthcare for the poor is still poor.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 10:45 AM   #579
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It is a little misleading, though, because people in the U.S. end up paying a gargantuan percentage of GDP on healthcare, which puts us right back up near the top when you consider that healthcare is included in all of those high-tax countries. And, in the U.S., healthcare for the poor is still poor.
I think you're helping to make my point, which is we should be paying more in taxes partly so we could provide universal healthcare to everyone in this country.

As I said earlier, we need to pay more in taxes because that's what it takes to maintain a modern society ... something that the U.S. is in danger of not being.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 10:51 AM   #580
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Huh. I've seen in the news where U.S. cancer patients travel to Mexico for care.

By your standard, that must mean the U.S. system isn't so good either.
people will travel ANYWHERE that "promises" a cure.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 10:52 AM   #581
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people will travel ANYWHERE that "promises" a cure.
Exactly my point.

It works with Canadiens as well as it does Americans.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 11:08 AM   #582
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Exactly my point.

It works with Canadiens as well as it does Americans.
Ah, but if the treatment is deemed necessary, and cannot be provided here, we pay the freight for treatment in the U.S.

And we are Canadians. Canadiens are the Montreal NHL team.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 11:18 AM   #583
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Ah, but if the treatment is deemed necessary, and cannot be provided here, we pay the freight for treatment in the U.S.
Out of curiosity, what treatment cannot be provided in Canada?

I would have thought you were an advanced people.

Despite your affection for hockey.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 11:30 AM   #584
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I think you're helping to make my point, which is we should be paying more in taxes partly so we could provide universal healthcare to everyone in this country.
I agree with you.

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As I said earlier, we need to pay more in taxes because that's what it takes to maintain a modern society ... something that the U.S. is in danger of not being.
In fact, if the U.S. could "do healthcare" like Australia or Germany, pocketbooks would come out way ahead. What the U.S. has now is a very, very expensive socialism for the employees, management, and owners of health insurance companies and private hospital chains and the rest of the gravy train.
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Old Mar 5, 2014, 05:07 PM   #585
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Out of curiosity, what treatment cannot be provided in Canada?
Advanced rare Cancer treatment for one. There may be others, but I'm not the source for that data. I just know from items that I have read in the news media, now and then, when it occurs.

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I would have thought you were an advanced people.
As to the "advanced" crack, I'll just consider the source.
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Old Apr 4, 2014, 04:51 PM   #586
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I listened to clips of the conservative noise machine- Hannity, Limbaugh, and Glen Beck and their raving that 7 million signed up for the ACA is a big government lie is so irresponsible, if you want to call someone anti-American, they would be good candidates. You don't make up this kind of negative **** just for the hell of gaining political advantage. The saddest thing is none of them are trying to produce any data, and they have no compunction about automatically leaping to the "it's a lie" accusation. It's disgusting. This is the kind of thing that can make me figuratively question the principle of free speech.
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