OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Again Available on the Apple Online Store

[AnonMac50]

Just to add for those that say Snow Leopard's Exposé is back in Mountain Lion: It is not. I have ungrouped windows on my Mac Pro, but that's only partially there.

• There is no Dock Exposé
• Minimised windows do not show in Mission Control

Until the 2 previous issues are fixed, I will still prefer Snow Leopard's Exposé over Mountain Lion's Mission Control.

If we were to talk about Spaces…
don't get me started on that.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Originally Posted by AnonMac50

Just to add for those that say Snow Leopard's Exposé is back in Mountain Lion: It is not. I have ungrouped windows on my Mac Pro, but that's only partially there.
[*]There is no Dock Exposé

It's now a part of Mission Control (i.e. they combined Spaces and Expose into "Mission Control". You now get two for one action, which I happen to like. I do think they should offer an option setting for this, though, but as most of us know, Apple doesn't like giving options. There IS a dock icon for Mission Control, so knowing it's combined, this renders your point moot except to say you wish they weren't grouped together.

[*]Minimised windows do not show in Mission Control

But they do show on the dock where you minimized them to. In other words, they were minimized for a reason and they are not "stacked" over top of each other on the main screen, which was the entire reason for Expose in the first place, IMO. It unclutters piles of windows. If the windows aren't cluttered because they are docked/minimized, why show them? You don't remember minimizing them? I understand why you'd want it to show everything possible, but by the same token, should it create windows for every CLI/SHELL process too? That's Activity Manager's job. I think Apple simply took the core function of Expose and made it declutter open windows, not docked ones (which would only ADD more windows to show at once. They figure if you docked them, that's where you want them. Technically, that's not about clutter any more and therefore doesn't need decluttered.

Until the 2 previous issues are fixed, I will still prefer Snow Leopard's Exposé over Mountain Lion's Mission Control.

And I liked having Rosetta, but time moves on. I found Windows versions of the games that would no longer run (which teaches me to always buy games on places like Steam that give you BOTH Mac and Windows versions of games OR to buy only the Windows version when given a choice, since I can always run that in something like VMWare in the future whereas Apple has proven they don't care if you can run old software. Frankly, VMWare even runs Windows98 perfectly, even (albeit minus DirectX 3D accleration, which isn't needed for most games with powerful CPUs to do software rendering for those old games which weren't that complex). Sadly, you cannot run older Mac operating systems in VMWare and you can thank Apple for that too.

If we were to talk about Spaces…
don't get me started on that.

Again, I don't see a problem. Unless you used like 12 spaces, the combined Mission Control function for spaces is more than adequate for 4-6 screens and I can create/remove additional spaces on the fly (rather than having to adjust preferences) and every OSX8 aware application can create its own full screen space with a click on the upper right corner arrows button. I think it's pretty spiffy (and I didn't think I would like it before I got my new computer that forced Mission Control one me).

Now LaunchPad...that I don't really care for, but if it were more easily configured, I can see some good uses for it (it's really more or less a dock alternative, looking like the iOS pages, which means you could configure it only for gaming or some other app type and not have to clutter the main dock with it or folders for it).

My biggest complaint about OSX in general is its sloppy handling of multiple monitors. This is nothing new, though. It has always sucked. What I don't understand is why Apple doesn't DO SOMETHING about it. They could either offer pop-up dock/menus when you move the arrow to the top or offer additional fixed ones. It gets utterly ridiculous when you have 4 monitors to have to move the pointer across multiple monitor screens just to get to the overhead menu or a dock menu. This could be so EASILY fixed, it's RIDICULOUS that it hasn't been addressed yet and I'd encourage people to let Apple know we want a fix/solution for multiple monitors.

Microsoft simply never had that problem with multiple monitors because their menus are attached to the windows, not the top of the screen. Linux, likewise, is more or less configurable to any possible configuration you can imagine (and if not, someone will probably create one).

[JoeRito]

Looks like the Server version is not available so we won't be able to run SL virtualized using Parallels 8 on a Mountain Lion MBP

[AnonMac50]

Originally Posted by MagnusVonMagnum

It's now a part of Mission Control (i.e. they combined Spaces and Expose into "Mission Control". You now get two for one action, which I happen to like. I do think they should offer an option setting for this, though, but as most of us know, Apple doesn't like giving options. There IS a dock icon for Mission Control, so knowing it's combined, this renders your point moot except to say you wish they weren't grouped together.



But they do show on the dock where you minimized them to. In other words, they were minimized for a reason and they are not "stacked" over top of each other on the main screen, which was the entire reason for Expose in the first place, IMO. It unclutters piles of windows. If the windows aren't cluttered because they are docked/minimized, why show them? You don't remember minimizing them? I understand why you'd want it to show everything possible, but by the same token, should it create windows for every CLI/SHELL process too? That's Activity Manager's job. I think Apple simply took the core function of Expose and made it declutter open windows, not docked ones (which would only ADD more windows to show at once. They figure if you docked them, that's where you want them. Technically, that's not about clutter any more and therefore doesn't need decluttered.



And I liked having Rosetta, but time moves on. I found Windows versions of the games that would no longer run (which teaches me to always buy games on places like Steam that give you BOTH Mac and Windows versions of games OR to buy only the Windows version when given a choice, since I can always run that in something like VMWare in the future whereas Apple has proven they don't care if you can run old software. Frankly, VMWare even runs Windows98 perfectly, even (albeit minus DirectX 3D accleration, which isn't needed for most games with powerful CPUs to do software rendering for those old games which weren't that complex). Sadly, you cannot run older Mac operating systems in VMWare and you can thank Apple for that too.



Again, I don't see a problem. Unless you used like 12 spaces, the combined Mission Control function for spaces is more than adequate for 4-6 screens and I can create/remove additional spaces on the fly (rather than having to adjust preferences) and every OSX8 aware application can create its own full screen space with a click on the upper right corner arrows button. I think it's pretty spiffy (and I didn't think I would like it before I got my new computer that forced Mission Control one me).

Now LaunchPad...that I don't really care for, but if it were more easily configured, I can see some good uses for it (it's really more or less a dock alternative, looking like the iOS pages, which means you could configure it only for gaming or some other app type and not have to clutter the main dock with it or folders for it).

My biggest complaint about OSX in general is its sloppy handling of multiple monitors. This is nothing new, though. It has always sucked. What I don't understand is why Apple doesn't DO SOMETHING about it. They could either offer pop-up dock/menus when you move the arrow to the top or offer additional fixed ones. It gets utterly ridiculous when you have 4 monitors to have to move the pointer across multiple monitor screens just to get to the overhead menu or a dock menu. This could be so EASILY fixed, it's RIDICULOUS that it hasn't been addressed yet and I'd encourage people to let Apple know we want a fix/solution for multiple monitors.

Microsoft simply never had that problem with multiple monitors because their menus are attached to the windows, not the top of the screen. Linux, likewise, is more or less configurable to any possible configuration you can imagine (and if not, someone will probably create one).

Dock Expose is not having a Dock icon. It's when you click and hold an icon and it does an app exposé for that app. True, I can still use app exposé, but this way is shorter.

I don't minimize the icons into the dock. I minimize them into the app icons. Makes it a lot less cluttered. By doing a normal exposé I would be able see minimized icons.

As for spaces, use a 3x3 grid or a 4x4 grid, depending on what I'm doing right now on the computer.

[Lil Chillbil]

This is awesome even though I still have my dvd

I love you snow leopard!!!

[I WAS the one]

Originally Posted by onceyougomac

:d well it's gotta be better than apple maps on ios 6...

lmfao

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Originally Posted by AnonMac50

Dock Expose is not having a Dock icon. It's when you click and hold an icon and it does an app exposé for that app. True, I can still use app exposé, but this way is shorter.

Missed this reply somehow...

Yeah, I see no reason why they shouldn't activate the application window expose when you hold the dock icon down. A menu list isn't as useful if its name isn't obvious. However, just moving the pointer slightly to the right and selecting "Show All Windows" does the same thing you're asking for (App Expose), so I don't think it's quite the PITA that you're making it out to be, but could be tweaked or an option to do it automatically (although some might not want the screen graphically changing every time they hold an icon if they just wanted another option so I can see why it might need to at least default to not doing it unless you select show all windows (takes all of a fraction of a second more with a mouse, at least). I just tried minimize into applications and the expose there shows smaller windows at the bottom for minimized windows and larger ones at the top for ones not minimized, but they are at least visible.

In any case, it's a shame Apple doesn't listen to feedback very often (unless a LOT of people basically spam the heck out of them with complaints). It'd be nice if they had a forum where a developer or two basically kept an eye on things and corresponded back. Their current system of having forums with literally NO ONE from Apple (other than moderators to remove language, etc.) is kind of horrible. If small scale companies can manage to interact on their own sites, certainly the richest company in the known Universe should be able to.

[cincygolfgrrl]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

It's most likely 10.6.6 or above as that's when the Mac App Store came to fruition.

I picked up my disk yesterday at my local Apple Store. It's 10.6.3.

My reason for getting SL is that in addition to an MBA-11 with ML, I also have a 1st Generation MacMini with 1GB or RAM. It came with Lion installed and I never upgraded it. Now I need to upgrade.

Does anyone remember issues that might have occurred when you upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6? Thanks.

[KnightWRX]

Originally Posted by AnonMac50

Dock Expose is not having a Dock icon. It's when you click and hold an icon and it does an app exposé for that app. True, I can still use app exposé, but this way is shorter.

How is clicking and holding an icon shorter than Mouse 4 (which is what I have it binded to) ?

[Eithanius]

Originally Posted by cincygolfgrrl

Does anyone remember issues that might have occurred when you upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6? Thanks.

10.5 -> Backup -> Fresh install 10.6.3 -> Update to 10.6.8...

A big guarantee it will be no problem... In fact you may find some of your problems on 10.5.x resolved in 10.6.8...

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Originally Posted by KnightWRX

How is clicking and holding an icon shorter than Mouse 4 (which is what I have it binded to) ?

Gee, I dunno...maybe some people use Mouse 4 for something else (e.g. I use Mouse 4 and 5 for ZOOM to adjust web pages instantly to a size I like if they default too small or too large). Plus some people may not have Mice with 4 or 5 buttons to begin with. I'm sure you don't think everyone likes things exactly like you, after all. Oh wait. I forgot whom I am talking to.

[AnonMac50]

Originally Posted by KnightWRX

How is clicking and holding an icon shorter than Mouse 4 (which is what I have it binded to) ?

Mouse 4? As in a 4 button mouse? I definitely do not have one of those.

It is also shorter when you want to click and hold on another app.

And if yu prefer pressing ping it differently, your choice, I'm just saying they had a perfectly good way of doing something. At least keeping an option to turn it on would have been good. Even in Snow Leopard you had an option to turn it off.

[1934hotrod]

Snow leopard is staying on my machines. This lion thing seems to just annoy the user instead of assisting. I've heard folks rave about all the app updates and notices from the different social media resources, to me that is a huge invasion.

Hell cell phones are the greatest invasion, now they have turned the desk top into another irritant . No thanks Apple & ML, I refuse to allow outside sources to manage my life or time, one must PAY me $$$$$ for that privilege.

Just the way I roll

[bigpoppamac31]

I have a MBP (Early 2011) refurb. It shipped with Lion although I was hoping it would have shipped with SL. If I bought a copy of SL from the Apple online store could I install it on my Mac as a downgrade? i think my big concern is that my apps are all updated so they may be new enough that that won't support SL. I have not upgraded to ML so I'm still on Lion. Many people still say that SL is the best OSX Apple has done so far. I had SL on my previous Macbook (black) but when I got my new MBP I transferred everything from my bootable SL backup and wrote over it with a Lion backup. In any event would a downgrade be doable?