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Old Oct 4, 2013, 10:56 AM   #51
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This could be construed as a very thinly veiled death threat, which to ANY POTUS, should be investigated. That is where his 1st Amendment right would end.
Linking up with 72 virgins could also mean a LAN party. Fragging 72 pasty faced nerds at Call of Duty sounds like my idea of a good time.

All kidding aside, isn't making a death threat to a high ranking government official a federal offense? This guy needs to be in a cell, running his tin cup along the bars and chanting, "Attica, attica."
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Old Oct 4, 2013, 01:56 PM   #52
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Linking up with 72 virgins could also mean a LAN party. Fragging 72 pasty faced nerds at Call of Duty sounds like my idea of a good time.
You got me there! If this were 20 years ago, that could have been me at that LAN party (minus the virginity).

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All kidding aside, isn't making a death threat to a high ranking government official a federal offense? This guy needs to be in a cell, running his tin cup along the bars and chanting, "Attica, attica."
it most definitely is a federal offense. That idiot kid at my college that emailed "I will kill you" to president at whitehouse dot gov in 1995, didn't realize that one of the FBI's midwest offices was 5 miles down the road. Within 15 minutes of the email going out, they were on campus investigating and combing through logs.

No matter how blunt or thinly veiled that threat is, it is still a threat to the POTUS, and a federal offense. From Wiki:

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Threatening the President of the United States is a class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. It consists of knowingly and willfully mailing or otherwise making "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States". The United States Secret Service investigates suspected violations of this law and monitors those who have a history of threatening the President.
Furthermore, are the penalties:

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Threatening the President of the United States is a class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. The offense is punishable by five to ten years in prison, a $250,000 maximum fine, a $100 special assessment, and 3 years of supervised release. Internet restrictions such as a prohibition on access to email have been imposed on offenders who made their threats by computer. The U.S. Sentencing Guidelines set a base offense level of 12 for sending threatening communication, but when a threat to the President is involved, a 6-level "official victim" enhancement applies. Moreover, "an upward departure may be warranted due to the potential disruption of the governmental function." Further enhancements can apply if the offender evidenced an intent to carry out the threat (6-level enhancement); made more than two threats (2-level enhancement); caused substantial disruption of public, governmental, or business functions or services (4-level enhancement); or created a substantial risk of inciting others to harm federal officials (2-level enhancement). Since each 6-level increase approximately doubles the Guidelines sentencing range, it is not particularly rare for an offender who threatens the President to receive a sentence at or near the maximum, especially if he has a criminal history and/or does not qualify for a reduction for acceptance of responsibility. There is a 4-level decrease available for a threat involving a "single instance evidencing little or no deliberation", which would usually apply to spur-of-the-moment verbal threats.
Seeing that he has called for this previously, if they investigate and decide to bring him up on charges, he'll definitely be close to the maximum sentence.

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Old Oct 5, 2013, 06:48 PM   #53
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the Tea Party reached its realistic peak size within about six months of Becking and may in fact have be diminishing ever since. And the Tea Party does not have a visible, charismatic leader, only shadowy string-pullers.
As has been shown, the "Tea Party" was always a creation of big money. The Tea Party moniker dates to 2002, although the sponsor, CSE, began in 1984. Big Tobacco, Big Oil, faux Libertarianism. et. cet. er. a.

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The two main organizations identified in the UCSF Quarterback study are Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. Both groups are now "supporting the tobacco companies' political agenda by mobilizing local Tea Party opposition to tobacco taxes and smoke-free laws." Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). CSE was founded in 1984 by the infamous Koch Brothers, David and Charles Koch, and received over $5.3 million from tobacco companies, mainly Philip Morris, between 1991 and 2004.

In 1990, Tim Hyde, RJR Tobacco's head of national field operations, in an eerily similar description of the Tea Party today, explained why groups like CSE were important to the tobacco industry's fight against government regulation. Hyde wrote:

"... coalition building should proceed along two tracks: a) a grassroots organizational and largely local track,; b) and a national, intellectual track within the DC-New York corridor. Ultimately, we are talking about a "movement," a national effort to change the way people think about government's (and big business) role in our lives. Any such effort requires an intellectual foundation - a set of theoretical and ideological arguments on its behalf."

The common public understanding of the origins of the Tea Party is that it is a popular grassroots uprising that began with anti-tax protests in 2009.

However, the Quarterback study reveals that in 2002, the Kochs and tobacco-backed CSE designed and made public the first Tea Party Movement website under the web address www.usteaparty.com. Here's a screenshot of the archived U.S. Tea Party site, as it appeared online on Sept. 13, 2002:
(see article).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brenda...b_2663125.html

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Old Oct 5, 2013, 06:51 PM   #54
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As our gun nut friends would say, "No matter how extreme these people may be, they are simply practicing their 2nd amendment right."












These types of posts make no sense. All you are doing is making words up trying to incite an argument for a reason I can't understand.
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