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Old Oct 14, 2013, 04:05 PM   #151
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The primary difference being that the crap put out by peer-reviewed scientific journals is more readily accepted by unthinking sheeple simply because it carries the imprimatur of "truth" as conferred by intellectual elitists.

Seriously, the difference should mean nothing to a seeker of truth guided by rational thought and argument.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 04:11 PM   #152
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"Sheeple"? "Intellectual elitists"? Really?
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 04:21 PM   #153
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"Sheeple"? "Intellectual elitists"? Really?

Sounds like something that came out of Sarah Palin's mouth.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 04:43 PM   #154
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Sounds like something that came out of Sarah Palin's mouth.
You gave an exquisite description of that in another thread. Something to do with foam...

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Old Oct 14, 2013, 04:52 PM   #155
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Sounds like something that came out of Sarah Palin's mouth.
There have been more outright dangerous drugs championed by sketchy studies published in "peer-reviewed scientific journals" than you can buy on any street corner in most cities.

Again, rational seekers of truth will lend very little, if any credence to an argument just because it's been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

They're for sheeple.

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Old Oct 14, 2013, 05:03 PM   #156
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There have been more outright dangerous drugs championed by sketchy studies published in "peer-reviewed scientific journals" than you can buy on any street corner in most cities.

Again, rational seekers of truth will lend very little, if any credence to an argument just because it's been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

They're for sheeple.
No, rational seekers of truth apparently prefer to rely on untested and naive hypotheses.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 05:03 PM   #157
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There have been more outright dangerous drugs championed by sketchy studies published in "peer-reviewed scientific journals" than you can buy on any street corner in most cities.
And it has been those same journals that published the data and exposed the "sketchy studies". That's the beauty of science, it's self-correcting. Unlike Libertarianism which is ad hoc and self-perpetuating.

As a self-proclaimed rational truth seeker, take us through how you'd expose that viox has negative cardiovascular effects from the data provided in the original study.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 05:20 PM   #158
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And it has been those same journals that published the data and exposed the "sketchy studies". That's the beauty of science, it's self-correcting. Unlike Libertarianism which is ad hoc and self-perpetuating.

As a self-proclaimed rational truth seeker, take us through how you'd expose that viox has negative cardiovascular effects from the data provided in the original study.
I wouldn't have believed the original study just because it was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is rather my point.

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Old Oct 14, 2013, 05:44 PM   #159
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I wouldn't have believed the original study just because it was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is rather my point.
I think I've reached my limit of schadenfreude.

I should be enjoying this, but it really just makes me sad.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 05:48 PM   #160
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It's really sad..
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 06:08 PM   #161
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I wouldn't have believed the original study just because it was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is rather my point.
Good grief.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 06:15 PM   #162
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I wouldn't have believed the original study just because it was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is rather my point.

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And what would you believe? What are credible sources of information if peer reviewed, scientific journals don't meet your criteria?
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And what would you believe? What are credible sources of information if peer reviewed, scientific journals don't meet your criteria?
"I'll believe it if I see it through my own Libertarian eyes (and it fits my ideology)"
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And what would you believe? What are credible sources of information if peer reviewed, scientific journals don't meet your criteria?
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"I'll believe it if I see it through my own Libertarian eyes (and it fits my ideology)"
That's what this is all about, NMG is so blinded by the wisdom of his "Libertarian" beliefs, his mind has no room for any other views. It is like talking to a member of a cult, we are all non believers, therefore unreliable.

Scientology has been doing this for years.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 03:03 AM   #165
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That's what this is all about, NMG is so blinded by the wisdom of his "Libertarian" beliefs, his mind has no room for any other views. It is like talking to a member of a cult, we are all non believers, therefore unreliable.

Scientology has been doing this for years.
Religion has been doing this for years.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 11:11 AM   #166
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You fail to see the point that gun ownership is a right. Even the request should be treated as harassment.
Property ownership is a right too, yet real estate records are public information, and in my county, can be looked up by anyone in seconds on their website. But I guess you won't be complaining about that, right?
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Property ownership is a right too, yet real estate records are public information, and in my county, can be looked up by anyone in seconds on their website. But I guess you won't be complaining about that, right?
Which goes back to my claim about him not giving a crap about his 4th Amendment rights being gutted faster than a gazelle being taken down by a lioness and hyenas, but the moment someone bats an eyelash at his 2nd Amendment right, he is up in arms (pun intended).

Either be for EVERY right in the Constitution, or none of them at all; his silence on the others speaks more volume than his outbursts on only the 2nd. Very hypocritical.

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But taken to the logical extreme, if you are against regulation because someone somewhere once abused that power,
...which is an awfully good reason to argue against the consolidation of decision-making power inherent in regulation.

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then you could make a case against any and all laws.
...or all laws which attempt to regulate behavior which does not cause direct and verifiable harmful to someone else, and/or that seek to redress such harm via methods other than the enforcement of direct recompense to the harmed parties.

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Show how that abuse has or can happen in our system of government today.
Such abuse happened regularly within my (and possibly your) lifetime throughout the South - where modern gun control (and registration) provisions got their start via Jim Crow. That the government would now make use of similar laws to disenfranchise citizens of all colors and races rather than just various minorities, makes such laws no less (and perhaps even more) dangerous.

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That's what this is all about, NMG is so blinded by the wisdom of his "Libertarian" beliefs, his mind has no room for any other views. It is like talking to a member of a cult, we are all non believers, therefore unreliable.

Scientology has been doing this for years.
I have room for any well reasoned view. I just don't equate "peer-reviewed scientific" with well-reasoned.

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...which is an awfully good reason to argue against the consolidation of decision-making power inherent in regulation.



...or all laws which attempt to regulate behavior which does not cause direct and verifiable harmful to someone else, and/or that seek to redress such harm via methods other than the enforcement of direct recompense to the harmed parties.



Such abuse happened regularly within my (and possibly your) lifetime throughout the South - where modern gun control (and registration) provisions got their start via Jim Crow. That the government would now make use of similar laws to disenfranchise citizens of all colors and races rather than just various minorities, makes such laws no less (and perhaps even more) dangerous.

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I have room for any well reasoned view. I just don't equate "peer-reviewed scientific" with well-reasoned.

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If that statement was true you would not have been seduced by the ideas of libertarianism, which is a deeply flawed ideology.

My reasoning for this if Libertarianism was so good people would have tried years ago.
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