Web-safe colors, still needed?

[floyde]

I never quite grasped the idea of web-safe colors, but I always thought that they were only needed to support older machines with less than 16-bit color capabilities (I probably am very wrong ). So I was wondering, in this high-def age, are web-safe colors still needed? Are designers still adhering to them?

[dornoforpyros]

nope, I don't use stick to em anymore. I did some reading a while back and the percentage of users stuck with those colors is like 2% or something. I can't remember the article right now, but either way, you can ditch the web safe colors.

[superbovine]

I've heard people banter about this on and on. If they can't view anything but web safe colors they have a really old system. They are the exception rather than the norm. However, if you really really really want a 100% instead of 98% of the users covered go ahead and use web safe colors.

[silence]

Yes i've always wanted to know what the best system to use is...!

I mostly use Visibone/2 as advised by a friend - which is helpful because it is in Illustrator as well and fairly universal. But i'm finding that there is such a limitation on colour choices..

So, from what you guys are saying, its pretty safe to use any colour swatch system.. like Pantone etc. ??

[Mechcozmo]

For most things, you don't need to bother with web safe colors. But if you are doing something that you want to make sure looks good, anywhere, (say, corporate website) then you might want to.

Web Safe Colors aren't that needed this day and age... but a 800x600 resolution is far more prevalent than you might think.

[CanadaRAM]

Originally Posted by silence

Yes i've always wanted to know what the best system to use is...!

I mostly use Visibone/2 as advised by a friend - which is helpful because it is in Illustrator as well and fairly universal. But i'm finding that there is such a limitation on colour choices..

So, from what you guys are saying, its pretty safe to use any colour swatch system.. like Pantone etc. ??

Err, ehmmm... the Web runs on RGB colors. Not Pantone, not Toyo, not anything other than Red, Green and Blue little glowing pixels on a not quite black background.

So when you say "I can use a Pantone swatch",
you are really saying
"I can use RGB values that approximate a Pantone swatch colour, but are actually guaranteed to come out slightly or radically different depending on the monitor, calibration and/or Gamma settings of whatever system the end user is using, which is completely beyond my control"

[dornoforpyros]

Originally Posted by CanadaRAM

Err, ehmmm... the Web runs on RGB colors. Not Pantone, not Toyo, not anything other than Red, Green and Blue little glowing pixels on a not quite black background.

So when you say "I can use a Pantone swatch",
you are really saying
"I can use RGB values that approximate a Pantone swatch colour, but are actually guaranteed to come out slightly or radically different depending on the monitor, calicration and/or Gamma settings of whatever system the end user is using, which is completely beyond my control"

yeah ditto, if your working for web/screen you still have to stick with RGB values. You can just step outside the web safe colour pallet of 1996

[Moria]

Some of the older computers at my school are locked on 800x600 that can only view websafe colours.....the Google logo doesn't work properly.

If Google are doing it, you should do it too.

[floyde]

It's good to know... 90% of all webcolors are hideous.

[geodome]

Are the websafe colours referring to the 256 colour mode?

Those colours are not enough to provide a stunning display.

[Rare]

You don't really NEED to stick to them, as many computers that stick to web safe colours simply change the colours they do not support to the nearest possible value.

At my workplace the company located in the same building uses terminals that essentially remote desktop into a terminal server, and they run on 256 colours - looks hideous, but I find it useful for seeing what some people might view my websites as.

[theappleguy]

Anyone with a monitor still on 256 colours can't expect to be catered for anymore (whether they acknowledge this is another matter).

[thejadedmonkey]

There's probably around 2% who can not use java, 2% who can not use javascript, and another 2% who can only use websafe colors, and they're all the same 2%. Honestly, it's time for them to upgrade.

Originally Posted by Mechcozmo

Web Safe Colors aren't that needed this day and age... but a 800x600 resolution is far more prevalent than you might think.

Yes, I've been known to use 600x800 on my mac and PC at times, so I would never make a site that doesn't work in 600x800 screen res. As a website designer, the worst part is trying to cope with the 80% or so of users who can't use full CSS (ie, the ones still stuck on IE).

[frankblundt]

Originally Posted by thejadedmonkey

There's probably around 2% who can not use java, 2% who can not use javascript, and another 2% who can only use websafe colors, and they're all the same 2%. Honestly, it's time for them to upgrade.

I don't think that's quite true. There are still a number of corporates/businesses out there that insist on Java being disabled, and some still paranoid enough to have javascript switched off as well. Last I heard it was still around 10% of users affected.

And if you care about accessibilty issues, even that 2(-10)% are important.

Web-safe colours I wouldn't worry about tho - it's not like they won't display at all, just they'll be dithered and fugly.

[e-meow]

http://e-meow.com/restrict-to-web-sa...ur-web-design/

just a little of my thoughts.

Web safe color benefited to printing, if your website intended for printing.
What do you think?

[Anonymous Freak]

DO IT!

And while you're at it, design only using HTML 3.0-compliant, no-CSS code, for a 640x480 screen, please. And be sure not to use too many pictures, my 28.8 kbps modem can't handle big pictures.




(I just discovered an archive of my first website. I planned ahead - I used a 1600-pixel-wide, 20-pixel-tall vertically-repeating background picture. Man, 1600 pixels wide is wide enough for *ANY* monitor! Wait, what? They make 2560-pixel wide monitors now? )

[-pete-]

Originally Posted by e-meow

http://e-meow.com/restrict-to-web-sa...ur-web-design/

just a little of my thoughts.

Web safe color benefited to printing, if your website intended for printing.
What do you think?

Nice blog spam there e-meow...

These days I think people are more likely to view your website on an iPad with millions of colours than invest in a poor quality colour print out of your site.

[SrWebDeveloper]

Reasons not to use web safe colors:

1) Deprecation

Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 3.1 and IE6 due to the advancement in technology plus it's too expensive and time consuming to dedicate resources to manage and service such older platforms. Modern displays are now 24-bit true color. Father time in the digital world dictates what technology to use or not use.

2) Limitations

X11 colors (browser created) are not synched with HTML 4.01+ standard colors. 256 color displays still dither (i.e. the user who commented about the Google site not looking right). Web safe vs. "really safe" 216 colors is simply confusing and really only 22 colors render as expected on older displays anyway, the whole concept is absurd.

3) Accessibility concerns

For screen readers, web safe colors do not make things any easier as some of those kinds of browsers do not use colors. Sticking to web safe for accessibility concerns is a common misconception. Follow the same rules for contrast and foreground/background no matter which palette used.

4) HSL and the CSS3 spec is coming

The future looks promising, the constantly evolving CSS3 spec deprecates system colors (X11) and will likely use the HSL (Hue, saturation and lightness) color system which was actually developed in the 70's but and supports high quality resolution and capabilities of contemporary graphics chipsets and browser support. Commands via CSS3 such as this:

color: hsl(0, 100%, 50%)

Note: RGB is still in the spec and alpha channel values exist for both for those who know about transparency and other filter effects.