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Old Jun 30, 2013, 07:10 AM   #76
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I got a question about this matter:
Are gay couple fighting to just be registered as married, or is there something else? Do they want to be married in a secular ceremony or religious one?
If it is a religious one, in a religion that forbids gay relationship, can the state even interfere in this matter (what about separation of state and church)?
It's the legal contract they seek that comes automatically in both kinds of marriages (which are practically the same, as both require signing a marriage license). The alternative is the "civil union", which does not include many of they key points that are self-evident in a opposite-sex marriage such as immigration, federal taxes, joint-adoption, etc.

In reality, gay people could live without the religious ceremony, they just want to be able to have the same legal rights and coverage like Mr. and Mrs. Smith next door, even if they decided to move to cross country or to the Maldives.
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Old Jun 30, 2013, 10:10 AM   #77
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The issue is State recognition of gay marriage.

The Gov't has no say over religious institutions accepting or rejecting gay marriage...despite the concerted efforts of many religious institutions to influence secular law.

What each religion recognizes, or does not recognize, as "legitimate" marriage is their business.

It would be nice if they kept their fingers out of secular law, but...
From what I understand, churches are under absolutely no obligation to marry anyone. I think it's a safe assumption that there are still some churches that refuse to even admit interracial couples.

The only way a church can lose its non-profit status is by engaging in overtly political activities (such as "Vote for Candidate X" or "Vote on Amendment "Y"). Some churches still do this. And I'm not aware of a significant number of churches that have lost their non-profit status because of this.
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The only way a church can lose its non-profit status is by engaging in overtly political activities (such as "Vote for Candidate X" or "Vote on Amendment "Y"). Some churches still do this. And I'm not aware of a significant number of churches that have lost their non-profit status because of this.
American Politicians today are so terrified of backlash from going after any sort of "religious organization" that they won't even investigate blatant con artists. (eg Peter Popoff)
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American Politicians today are so terrified of backlash from going after any sort of "religious organization" that they won't even investigate blatant con artists. (eg Peter Popoff)
Because what happens is it becomes an "Attack on Christianity from the Muslim Socialist Liberals".

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I got a question about this matter:
Are gay couple fighting to just be registered as married, or is there something else? Do they want to be married in a secular ceremony or religious one?
If it is a religious one, in a religion that forbids gay relationship, can the state even interfere in this matter (what about separation of state and church)?
Religious freedom should never impede human rights.

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From what I understand, churches are under absolutely no obligation to marry anyone. I think it's a safe assumption that there are still some churches that refuse to even admit interracial couples.

The only way a church can lose its non-profit status is by engaging in overtly political activities (such as "Vote for Candidate X" or "Vote on Amendment "Y"). Some churches still do this. And I'm not aware of a significant number of churches that have lost their non-profit status because of this.
Gotta' be careful about interracial marriages -- it's a slippery slope to polygamy and marrying dogs/animals.
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