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Old Jul 17, 2013, 08:11 PM   #176
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Apple probably won't let Google have access to the necessary API.
The API is available to all devs.
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 08:20 PM   #177
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Access to the address book database from third party apps are limited in what they can do to the address book.
Third party apps cannot write custom identifiers or create custom fields in the address book.
In order for the Google Maps to create a "pin" location for user in the contacts app, it needs to have the ability to create new field with the pin data.

And I agree... I'm sure Google would love to have everyone use Google contacts.
I suspect the issue here is more of Apple not wanting Google, or anyone else for that matter, getting in to the Core services frameworks in iOS.
Oh, the question is why Apple's Contacts app doesn't have a button to press that opens Google Maps? Yeah, I think you're right-- it's just about the manageability of everyone wanting to add buttons to Contacts.

There shouldn't be anything that prevents Google Maps from pulling the address information out of Apple's address book API from within Google Maps and making it available with whatever bells or whistles they'd like. Or creating a Contacts app of their own that includes both the Apple contacts database information and their own supplemental information.
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 08:37 PM   #178
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Apple probably won't let Google have access to the necessary API.
I've seen how this confuses Android users who have no experience with Apple's data security model, but most people don't want every app on their phone to have unfettered access to all of the data stored on their phone. From my perspective, I would put Google toward the bottom of the list I'd trust with my contact information (one notch above Facebook).
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 08:44 PM   #179
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How are people seeing maps inside places like airports and malls???
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 09:11 PM   #180
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I've seen how this confuses Android users who have no experience with Apple's data security model, but most people don't want every app on their phone to have unfettered access to all of the data stored on their phone. From my perspective, I would put Google toward the bottom of the list I'd trust with my contact information (one notch above Facebook).
From iOS 6, your iDevice requests for your explicit authorisation before any app can access your contact list, and you can always revoke your authorisation later in Settings, Privacy (although it doesn't mean much if most of the contacts have been uploaded to their servers).
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 10:10 PM   #181
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The BEST feature it has -- which wasn't advertised in the description -- is BICYCLE ROUTES!!!! I cycle all the time and I've long been waiting for this update!! NOW I can really get around!
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Old Jul 17, 2013, 10:43 PM   #182
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What? No on-the-fly re-routing? That gives it very limited usefulness for driving directions.
That was poorly written and should be updated. It certainly has on the fly rerouting. What they haven't added to the iOS version is auto rerouting based on traffic conditions which is now supported on Android.
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 03:01 AM   #183
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Very odd - it was drawing them in blue when I posted the comment but, as you rightly point out, they're orange now.

Either that, or I'm simply going mad.

However... in other Google-maps related news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-23331456

They've managed to delete an entire (large) island from Scotland.

I wonder if they'll ask Apple Maps to find it again?
It'll find it, in some part of America
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 03:09 AM   #184
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I've seen how this confuses Android users who have no experience with Apple's data security model, but most people don't want every app on their phone to have unfettered access to all of the data stored on their phone. From my perspective, I would put Google toward the bottom of the list I'd trust with my contact information (one notch above Facebook).
You seem very confused about how Android apps work
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 04:45 AM   #185
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The BEST feature it has -- which wasn't advertised in the description -- is BICYCLE ROUTES!!!! I cycle all the time and I've long been waiting for this update!! NOW I can really get around!
Same here! Totally love it!
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 08:41 AM   #186
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Google Maps is decades ahead of its competitors.
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 12:12 PM   #187
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Google Maps is decades ahead of its competitors.
Indeed! They've anticipated the impact of sea level rise on the Scottish Isles:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-23331456

They've managed to delete an entire (large) island from Scotland.
To Google's credit, they've stated that they're "beavering away" to correct the problem-- presumably that means building dams?
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 01:05 PM   #188
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Oh, the question is why Apple's Contacts app doesn't have a button to press that opens Google Maps? Yeah, I think you're right-- it's just about the manageability of everyone wanting to add buttons to Contacts.

There shouldn't be anything that prevents Google Maps from pulling the address information out of Apple's address book API from within Google Maps and making it available with whatever bells or whistles they'd like. Or creating a Contacts app of their own that includes both the Apple contacts database information and their own supplemental information.
Works quite well with a certain JB tweak. Just certain web pages have issues, but I think they do , anyway. Everything else links direct to Google Maps.

It's that apple won't allow other apps to be the default for their type if Apple has one. Don't know if that is an API, but it's something. Mail, Maps, Safari, etc.

And apparently Google doesn't want to go the route of putting the interface in the maps app.
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 05:02 PM   #189
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You seem very confused about how Android apps work
Uh, I have an Android work phone. I know exactly how Android app permissions work: You download a basic flashlight app and it demands permissions to your phone log, contacts, calendar, location data, etc. in order to work.
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 07:52 PM   #190
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40% is a lot. Care to provide some examples?
Well, last week I was looking for a mc donalds and around the corner there was one not listed.

And a few weeks ago, I was in a highway here in Miami and they are changing the distributors but it has been like that for a year. I took an exit and Maps showed me going on top of some buildings because the road was not updated... it it has been like that for over a year!

And things like that. It seems the company they hire here in Miami is not updating the database for at least a year.
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 09:45 PM   #191
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I've been using it for about an hour now, and I have to say it is nearly identical to Apple for me, except for explore, which I don't really use that much. Plus, Apple maps has (some) 3D features while Gmaps for iPad has none
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Old Jul 18, 2013, 11:13 PM   #192
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Uh, I have an Android work phone. I know exactly how Android app permissions work: You download a basic flashlight app and it demands permissions to your phone log, contacts, calendar, location data, etc. in order to work.
I would hope most users are smart enough to realize that those permissions are BS and would not install the app.
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Old Jul 19, 2013, 12:40 PM   #193
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...I suspect they are more interested in mapping the ocean floor and North Korea than rural America.
That's true for many of us, not just Google.
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Old Jul 19, 2013, 01:14 PM   #194
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I would hope most users are smart enough to realize that those permissions are BS and would not install the app.
And my point (which you managed to miss entirely) is that iOS gives me the granularity to revoke or re-grant those permissions to an app, at will.

For example, if I want to let an app save a contact to my iPhone contacts, I can grant that permission to the app, and then revoke it later if I so choose.

For an Android, it's all or nothing.

I guess you could root your phone (prohibited for my work Android) and install a third-party security layer i.e. CyanogenMod but, even then, many apps crash when they are denied permissions the developer assumed they should have. It never seems to have occurred to Google to design the OS with that in mind.

Edit: I'm not the only one who thinks so: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=10340

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Old Jul 19, 2013, 01:54 PM   #195
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And my point (which you managed to miss entirely) is that iOS gives me the granularity to revoke or re-grant those permissions to an app, at will.

For example, if I want to let an app save a contact to my iPhone contacts, I can grant that permission to the app, and then revoke it later if I so choose.

For an Android, it's all or nothing.

I guess you could root your phone (prohibited for my work Android) and install a third-party security layer i.e. CyanogenMod but, even then, many apps crash when they are denied permissions the developer assumed they should have. It never seems to have occurred to Google to design the OS with that in mind.

Edit: I'm not the only one who thinks so: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=10340
Point was not missed at all.

Apple is not as granular as you suggest, but does provide a lot more control than Android.

It's not "all or nothign" with Android, but close to it.
For example, you can deny an app from using your location information.
No root access required.
You can also change what app is used to handle certain types of requests (default apps) again.. no root required.
But I agree, the ability to apply limitations for app access is sorely lacking.

I will not install an app that obviously does not need access to the resources it declares in the permissions.
But that does require understanding WTH they mean.
Typical user has no clue and click OK.
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Old Jul 19, 2013, 03:47 PM   #196
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i dont understand how people can prefer apple maps over google maps, i mean, they arent even accurate.
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Old Jul 19, 2013, 06:24 PM   #197
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looks like they have started using WAZE to further improve the best maps app.
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Old Jul 22, 2013, 08:18 PM   #198
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Re-routing

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Apple Maps still doesn't have its act together, but will reroute when you can't follow its directions. Google Maps has excellent data, but cannot reroute. BlackBerry Maps on my Q10 has great data and rerouting, but is brain dead when it comes to business names.

"... Even in the future, nothing works!"

Not sure what Google Maps re-route function you are talking about. If I don't follow Google Maps route, it immediately re-routes based on where I am. Maybe you are talking if there is an accident or incident on the road?
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