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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:17 PM   #1
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iMac or Mac Pro? (Sorry about this repetitive question)

I do apologise that this is like the 10th iMac vs. ____ question this week, but I don't remember there being an iMac vs. Mac Pro question.

I'm planning on getting a maxed out 21.5" iMac (i7, 16GB RAM, Fusion Drive) on student discount (I'm in the UK), and I estimate it'll be about 1,700, which is also the price of the lowest spec Mac Pro on student discount.

Would the Mac Pro be much of a step up? Or is it kinda old now?

It misses Thunderbolt, something which is nearly a dealbreaker IMO. Will there be Thunderbolt PCIe cards soon?

I'm gonna do a decent amount of video editing, decent amount of VFX along with that, Photoshop work etc. etc.

The iMac should be able to handle my needs, but I've wanted a Mac Pro for ages (I've been saving for a while, then my iMac broke down ), would really like to be able to add/remove internal hard drives, get PCIe stuff, change the processor (This is possible), get a Blu-ray drive.

OR, would it be better to get the iMac now, sell it when the apparent 2013 Mac Pro comes out? I just hope the next Mac Pro gives you the same upgradability. By then I'm sure I'll have the money to pay the difference.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:45 PM   #2
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In past models(2011 etc.) you could upgrade the CPU and GPU, but Haswell will be moving on to a new socket so the (current)Mac Pro and (2012)iMac will be left behind anyway - CPU wise.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 02:49 PM   #3
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In past models(2011 etc.) you could upgrade the CPU and GPU, but Haswell will be moving on to a new socket so the (current)Mac Pro and (2012)iMac will be left behind anyway - CPU wise.
Wait, when Haswell is available you won't be able to upgrade it (In a Mac Pro)? Or are you saying it was possible to upgrade older iMacs?

Or...are you saying 2011/2012 Mac Pros (Mac Pro had a tiny refresh when the rMBP came about) won't be compatible with Haswell? If that's the case, I might as well wait for this 2013 model and sell the iMac when it's available.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 09:57 AM   #4
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Wait, when Haswell is available you won't be able to upgrade it (In a Mac Pro)? Or are you saying it was possible to upgrade older iMacs?

Or...are you saying 2011/2012 Mac Pros (Mac Pro had a tiny refresh when the rMBP came about) won't be compatible with Haswell? If that's the case, I might as well wait for this 2013 model and sell the iMac when it's available.
Haswell is changing to a new socket so computers that use Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge won't be able to use a Haswell processor.

It was possible to upgrade previous iMacs(and probably the 2012 one too) and Mac Pros with a processor that has a compatible socket.
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just my opinion but the only reason I'd go for a mac pro would be if I did really intense video/3d rendering work... other than that, an iMac should handle everything else, even lighter video work, especially if you bumped up to a 27" with upgraded GPU. I know that pushes it to about $2500, but the mac pro STARTS at $2500 without a display (which is equivalent to the $999 TB display) and only 1GB GPU
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 10:28 AM   #6
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just my opinion but the only reason I'd go for a mac pro would be if I did really intense video/3d rendering work... other than that, an iMac should handle everything else, even lighter video work, especially if you bumped up to a 27" with upgraded GPU. I know that pushes it to about $2500, but the mac pro STARTS at $2500 without a display (which is equivalent to the $999 TB display) and only 1GB GPU
The maxed out iMac would also be good for some heavy video/CAD work too.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 10:35 AM   #7
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Would the Mac Pro be much of a step up? Or is it kinda old now?
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OR, would it be better to get the iMac now, sell it when the apparent 2013 Mac Pro comes out? I just hope the next Mac Pro gives you the same upgradability. By then I'm sure I'll have the money to pay the difference.
If I understand your question; get current Mac Pro now OR get the new iMac then sell it when the 2013 Mac Pro comes out.

You probably should get some input from the "Mac Pro" forum; but I would not get the current Mac Pro, rumor has it is that the 2013 Mac Pro is going to be a major refresh. Thinking you would get a bigger return selling a new iMac VS selling an old Mac Pro; after the new Mac Pro comes out.

Of course, all that is based on the premise that your can take the financial hit AND you need a computer now.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 11:19 AM   #8
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You probably should get some input from the "Mac Pro" forum; but I would not get the current Mac Pro, rumor has it is that the 2013 Mac Pro is going to be a major refresh. Thinking you would get a bigger return selling a new iMac VS selling an old Mac Pro; after the new Mac Pro comes out.
I think there was even a PR about a 2013 Mac Pro.

Problem is, will Jony just decide to glue a couple of Mac minis together and call it a day?

Well considering we don't know much, I guess I'll just get a maxed 21.5" now, and see what comes in the 2013 Mac Pro. If it's not good enough (Upgradable, same price or less etc.), I could always just get a refurb 2012 Mac Pro.
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Problem is, will Jony just decide to glue a couple of Mac minis together and call it a day?
This is true; it is up to someone at Apple to make that decision, who that is beats the heck out of me....

Seems like they are moving the Mini line into the entertainment center (e.g. powerfull/do-more AppleTV). As a consumer, I'd like to see the Mac Pro line split into two; a beefed-up Mini Pro (for the Pro/consumer) and a Mac Pro Server (for the Professional).
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just my opinion but the only reason I'd go for a mac pro would be if I did really intense video/3d rendering work... other than that, an iMac should handle everything else, even lighter video work, especially if you bumped up to a 27" with upgraded GPU. I know that pushes it to about $2500, but the mac pro STARTS at $2500 without a display (which is equivalent to the $999 TB display) and only 1GB GPU
We all use iMac 27s and use a linux farm to render finals ( you did say really intense video/3d ). The iMac 27 handles the build renders with ease.

I'd recommend grabbing the 27" although we do have 21.5's in the office at the end of the hall and they look pretty impressive for only having a 21 inch display.

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This is true; it is up to someone at Apple to make that decision, who that is beats the heck out of me....
It's Jony Ive.

The new iMac design was definitely a stupid move, but he's done a lot of good designs in the past.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 09:00 PM   #12
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It's Jony Ive.
Ahh, you learn something new every day!!!! They should give him more exposure.... I'm sure he would be more interesting than Tim Cook; just seems Cook has been pretty bland when ever I watched him.
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