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Old Nov 9, 2010, 04:41 PM   #1
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1.5 Mbs max with Verizon DSL - Will Apple TV work for me?

Verizon tells me my DSL is maxed out at 1.5 Mbps due to my distance from a switch station...(?)
Unfortunaltely FIOS is not available in my area
Anyway - Would the new Apple TV system work for me?
Since my understanding is it relies on streaming media
I had to watch YouTube videos at 240p resolution with my win xp system otherwise I had unacceptable interupted choppy videos at any higher speeds like 480p
I'm thinking of buying a Mac Mini plus other Apple gadgets like Apple TV
I may finally migrate over to Mac from Win XP since my pc of 6 years just died
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 04:52 PM   #2
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Verizon tells me my DSL is maxed out at 1.5 Mbps due to my distance from a switch station...(?)
Unfortunaltely FIOS is not available in my area
Anyway - Would the new Apple TV system work for me?
Since my understanding is it relies on streaming media
I had to watch YouTube videos at 240p resolution with my win xp system otherwise I had unacceptable interupted choppy videos at any higher speeds like 480p
I'm thinking of buying a Mac Mini plus other Apple gadgets like Apple TV
I may finally migrate over to Mac from Win XP since my pc of 6 years just died
1.5 Mbps sounds woefully inadequate to me. You need at least 10 Mbps. Do you have cable where you live?
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 04:57 PM   #3
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I'm in the same boat as you. The maximum download speed I get from my DSL service is 1.2 mbs. But I'm an early adopter so I purchased the ATV2 during the initial release.

I mostly use the ATV to stream my movie collection (800+) from iTunes. Works great with no shuttering or skips at 720p. So for streaming from iTunes to your ATV you will have no problems. The quality of your streaming iTunes content is contingent on your router and wireless network. I'm using a Apple AirPort Extreme with a WD My Book Studio LX external drive attached via the USB port on the Extreme. Works great.

The low bandwidth problems arise with downloading content from iTunes (rental) or NetFflix. I can watch NetFlix movies but most of the content comes over in SD with my slow DSL service.

When I rent a movie from iTunes it can take several hours for the content to download into the ATVs buffer. So I plan ahead if I want to download iTunes content.

But I'm very happy with the iTunes streaming to the ATV2. No more setting up the Mac next to the TV and connecting the cables.
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 05:46 PM   #4
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I have a 1.2mb connection and as long as you aren't counting on instant streaming iTunes rentals and netflix in HD, then the ATV is great.

Streaming from your Mac works fine, of course, cause that has nothing to do with Internet speed, netflix streams fine (though im having a problem with some movies just stopping after a few seconds but that has nothing to do with ISP speed)and the video quality is actually pretty good, way better then my xbox was. Non-HD youtube and podcasts will work perfectly. iTunes rentals though, since they don't adjust quality depending on ISP speed like netflix does, take a long time to buffer. Count on about 2 hours for SD movies and like 5-6 hours for hd movies.

I usually just download iTunes rentals/purchases overnight on my iMac.
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 05:48 PM   #5
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I have a 1.2mb connection and as long as you aren't counting on instant streaming iTunes rentals and netflix in HD, then the ATV is great.

Streaming from your Mac works fine, of course, cause that has nothing to do with Internet speed, netflix streams fine (though im having a problem with some movies just stopping after a few seconds but that has nothing to do with ISP speed)and the video quality is actually pretty good, way better then my xbox was. Non-HD youtube and podcasts will work perfectly. iTunes rentals though, since they don't adjust quality depending on ISP speed like netflix does, take a long time to buffer. Count on about 2 hours for SD movies and like 5-6 hours for hd movies.

I usually just download iTunes rentals/purchases overnight on my iMac.
Ditto...
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 06:42 PM   #6
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Appreciate the informational answers from above...
Since I'm a newbie - I'm not clear on the issue of downloading from iTunes and netflix and Youtube
Is it possible to download these things without "streaming" and save to disk?
I was under the impression that Apple TV (newest version) only did live streaming - where the old Apple TV had a disk drive to download media - then I was able to view at a later time - at my leisure
Thanks in advance
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Old Nov 9, 2010, 06:51 PM   #7
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Appreciate the informational answers from above...
Since I'm a newbie - I'm not clear on the issue of downloading from iTunes and netflix and Youtube
Is it possible to download these things without "streaming" and save to disk?
I was under the impression that Apple TV (newest version) only did live streaming - where the old Apple TV had a disk drive to download media - then I was able to view at a later time - at my leisure
Thanks in advance
You are correct...The old ATV had a HD to store content...the new ATV2 does not contain a HD but has an 8GB buffer for storing downloaded content from iTunes.

ATV2 owners with fast internet connection are able to stream downloaded content instantly or nearly instantly. Owners like myself have to wait for the content to buffer. As a previous poster mentioned it can take 5-6 hours to download an iTunes movies to the buffer.
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Old Nov 10, 2010, 12:04 AM   #8
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I believe 6mbps is a good(minimum) starting point. Ive used it since day one that I got my apple tv2 and I havent had a single issue! Netflix streams great, movies from itunes works perfect. At the moment I have the apple tv and my xbox 360 streaming netflix and my laptop going, not a single issue!
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Old Nov 10, 2010, 08:34 AM   #9
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I can watch NetFlix movies but most of the content comes over in SD with my slow DSL service.
how is the quality of netflix? i tried netflix via safari on my mbp (i have 1mb cable) and it really sucked. is the netflix quality any better on the apple tv?
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Old Nov 10, 2010, 09:53 AM   #10
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how is the quality of netflix? i tried netflix via safari on my mbp (i have 1mb cable) and it really sucked. is the netflix quality any better on the apple tv?
I have 20Mbps cable and my NF quality has always been great. I used the xbox360 for the past year to stream and now use my ATV2. From what I have read NF is adding more quality (audio/video) all the time so it should only get better.
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Old Nov 10, 2010, 01:36 PM   #11
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Appreciate the informational answers from above...
Since I'm a newbie - I'm not clear on the issue of downloading from iTunes and netflix and Youtube
Is it possible to download these things without "streaming" and save to disk?
I was under the impression that Apple TV (newest version) only did live streaming - where the old Apple TV had a disk drive to download media - then I was able to view at a later time - at my leisure
Thanks in advance
What you can do is do all your TV show or Movie renting on iTunes on your computer. The program will download to your computer hard drive while you go do other things with your time, and when its ready you can use homesharing to stream it from your computer to your ATV2. I wouldn't recommend renting any of Apple's content directly on the ATV2 with a connection of 1.5 Mbps. What would likely happen is that, even though you leave the ATV2 alone while it "buffers", a hiccup in the network or the ATV2 going to sleep or any number of things could cause it to stop downloading the stream and then you have to start all over again. Downloading the rented program to your computer via iTunes is more reliable, and more closely replicates the experience of the 1st generation Apple TV.

I had DSL with 1.5 Mbps speeds and found the Apple TV 2 to be very frustrating to use at these speeds. Netflix worked fine, since Netflix adjusts the video quality based on available bandwidth, but it definitely wasn't HD and sometimes was even lower than SD quality. But it will played instantly and was totally watchable. The problems you will run into will be for watching video podcasts, renting tv shows/movies from apple, or accessing youtube and/or flickr. For me, the lag involved in using ATV2 over dsl was unacceptable, especially since it meant my wife would not even bother using it at all because she didn't want to wait every time she watched something. So I got Time Warner roadrunner for something like $40/month (only $5/month more than what I was paying for DSL) for an "up to 10Mbps" connection, which in reality has always tested at 15+ Mbps for me using speedtest.net. That solved all the lag problems (flickr, youtube, video podcasts, and all apple rental content start playing within 30 seconds of being selected, at most), and I now get HD quality from Netflix.
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Old Aug 2, 2011, 08:10 PM   #12
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Just an update
Thanks to all who replied especially dgalvan123 whose solution directly related to my situation
I ended my sucky verizon phone and dsl service - feels great
verizon could not go above 1.5mps because of my distance away from some sucky switching station - and no indication on when fios would be available here
i went with CLEARWIRE home wimax service
best part about it is home internet with NO DATA CAP - paying only $30 per month - speed is only around 5mps down - 1.5 mps up - but it streams youtube and amazon hd just fine
lovin it - eventhough its not up to 10mps
have not purchased an atv2 yet - but getting closer
thanks all
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Old Aug 3, 2011, 06:08 AM   #13
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i went with CLEARWIRE home wimax service. best part about it is home internet with NO DATA CAP
Clearwire is far from unlimited. Also, their Policy explicitly prohibits downloading videos. Here's what their 'Acceptable Use Policy' states:

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Nature of the Service.
The Service provided to you is intended for reasonable, periodic, non-continuous use by a person using a computing device, consistent with the type of use made by a typical individual consumer of our Internet services. Examples of allowed uses of our Service include web surfing, sending and receiving email, sending and receiving photographs, occasional on-line gaming, and the occasional non-continuous streaming of videos and downloading of files. Examples of uses that are not permitted include the continuous unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files, maintaining an unattended or continuous uninterrupted connection to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine to machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person, or operating an Internet hosting service such as web hosting or gaming hosting.
Excessive Utilization of Network Resources.
Wireless networks have capacity limits and all customers can suffer from degraded or denied service when one or a small group of users consumes disproportionate amounts of a wireless network's resources. Clearwire, therefore, will monitor both overall network performance and individual resource consumption to determine if any user is consuming a disproportionate amount of available resources and creating the potential to disrupt or degrade the Clearwire network or network usage by others. This process of monitoring both overall network performance and individual resource consumption is consistent with the description of the nature of the Service previously described in this AUP. Clearwire reserves the right to engage in reasonable network management to protect the overall network, including analyzing traffic patterns and preventing the distribution of viruses or other malicious code. During periods of congestion, Clearwire uses various techniques such as reducing the data rate of individual bandwidth intensive users whose use is negatively impacting other users. This temporarily limits the amount of bandwidth available to the bandwidth intensive users until the congestion has diminished, at which point Clearwire will endeavor to lift any limits it may have imposed on bandwidth intensive users during the period of congestion. Clearwire may also consider historical usage patterns when temporarily reducing the data rate of bandwidth intensive users during periods of congestion. When feasible, upon observation of an excessive use pattern, Clearwire will attempt to contact you by telephone at the telephone number you gave to us or otherwise to alert you to your excessive use of bandwidth and to help you determine the cause. Clearwire representatives also are available to explain this AUP and to help you avoid excessive use incidents. If you are unavailable or do not respond to Clearwire's attempt to contact you regarding excessive use, or if excessive use is ongoing or recurring and repeatedly having negative effects on other subscribers of the Service, Clearwire reserves the right to immediately restrict, suspend or terminate your Service without further notice in order to protect the network and minimize congestion caused by the excessive use. While the determination of what constitutes excessive use depends on the specific state of the network at any given time, excessive use is determined by resource consumption relative to that of a typical individual user of the Service and not by the use of any particular application.
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If you subscribe to a service plan that does not impose limits on the amount of data you may download or upload during a month, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are nevertheless subject to the provisions of this AUP. What this means is that all of the provisions described in this AUP, including those that describe how Clearwire may perform reasonable network management such as reducing the data rate of bandwidth intensive users during periods of congestion, will apply to your use of the Service. The term "unlimited" means that we will not place a limit on how much data you upload or download during a month or other particular period, however, it does not mean that we will not take steps to reduce your data rate during periods of congestion or take other actions described in this AUP when your usage is negatively impacting other subscribers to our Service.
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It sounds more like Clearwire's terms will prevent users from continously streaming or uploading videos and files. I think they just want to prevent people from continuous heavy bandwidth use.

They even state that "occasional, non-contiuous streaming of video" is acceptable. I think watching a Netflix movie every now and then can be seen as "occasional" usage.
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It sounds more like Clearwire's terms will prevent users from continously streaming or uploading videos and files. I think they just want to prevent people from continuous heavy bandwidth use.

They even state that "occasional, non-contiuous streaming of video" is acceptable. I think watching a Netflix movie every now and then can be seen as "occasional" usage.
I agree with your assessment. It sounds a lot like cell phone carrier's "unlimited" plans. As long as you don't end up in the top couple % of bandwidth hogs, I don't think he'll have an issue. Streaming a Netflix movie even once a day will probably keep him under the radar. Downloading several HD movies via torrent sites every day will probably catch their attention.
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It sounds more like Clearwire's terms will prevent users from continously streaming or uploading videos and files. I think they just want to prevent people from continuous heavy bandwidth use.

They even state that "occasional, non-contiuous streaming of video" is acceptable. I think watching a Netflix movie every now and then can be seen as "occasional" usage.
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I agree with your assessment. It sounds a lot like cell phone carrier's "unlimited" plans. As long as you don't end up in the top couple % of bandwidth hogs, I don't think he'll have an issue. Streaming a Netflix movie even once a day will probably keep him under the radar. Downloading several HD movies via torrent sites every day will probably catch their attention.
Yes, I think you are both correct. Earlier in the thread someone was commenting about downloading multiple hd movies from iTunes and allowing several hours for this to complete. If the OP, who posted Clearwire has 'NO DATA CAPS' tries to actually use his 'unlimited' service to download anything large during a period of high usage on Clearwire's network they will throttle him. Technically, there may not be a data cap, but if the throttling is severe enough it wouldn't deliver what the OP is expecting.

Sorry if I'm being difficult about this. I have some friends who've been burnt by Clearwire and I'm not much of a fan.
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I'm a little late to the party, but I have Verizon DSL. My speed is 1.5Mbs. I stream Netflix daily and watch baseball on the MLBtv app, both on the Appletv. I've never had an issue with the quality or picture stutter.
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update 8-26-11

no throttling or data caps with my CLEARWIRE after 4 months of heavy usage

its all good - full speed ahead

damn happy i dropped verizon
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update 8-26-11

no throttling or data caps with my CLEARWIRE after 4 months of heavy usage

its all good - full speed ahead

damn happy i dropped verizon
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