Looking at buying an iMac 27" i7

[MakX]

- 2TB Serial ATA
- 256GB SSD
- 2.9GHz i7 quad core

- 16GB RAM upgrade from OWC


This is my first time looking at an SSD - I've heard that there are a limited number of read/write cycles. Is this really an issue, and if so, what is the life expectancy, per se, of the drive

The SSD will store the OS, 'Pro' applications, CS5 suite etc. The 2TB will be for casual junk (ie. assignments, probably music/movies etc). So apps should boot fast since they're on the SSD.

Also, does the DisplayPort support audio with HDMI like the new MBPs do?

Anything I'm missing or might need to consider? I understand 16GB is a bit overkill but I want to somewhat 'futureproof' it.

Any thoughts appreciated! Cheers

[Hellhammer]

In theory, SSDs have limited amount of write cycles (but unlimited amount of reads) but don't worry about that. Unless you're constantly overwriting the SSD (hundreds of GBs everyday), it's not an issue for you. They are meant to last and the current SSDs that Apple use aren't that bad so there shouldn't be degradation either.

[MythicFrost]

I looked at this comparison of the SSD used in the 27" iMac and it isn't great -- not worth the price imo.

[MakX]

I don't really want to tamper with the storage myself. RAM is really as far as I want to go with it.

I assume that Apple will instinctively install OS X on the SSD drive, if I were to purchase both that and the 2TB SATA?

[MythicFrost]

Originally Posted by MakX

I don't really want to tamper with the storage myself. RAM is really as far as I want to go with it.

I assume that Apple will instinctively install OS X on the SSD drive, if I were to purchase both that and the 2TB SATA.

Yeah, I know how you feel -- apparently it's very difficult to install an SSD if you don't order one with it.

And it would very likely be installed on the SSD.

[Jaffaman27]

Originally Posted by MythicFrost

Yeah, I know how you feel -- apparently it's very difficult to install an SSD if you don't order one with it.

And it would very likely be installed on the SSD.

It wasn't that hard... just have a friend to help... makes things a lot easier...
So the friend can hold the logic board when u try to attach the needed cable.

Other than that...fairly easy...
I did it with my brand new 27" i7 iMac and it was worth it...
But still..if u dont mind the extra price apple charges for their SSD go for it.
Even if it's not too hard, it's stressful as hell...

[MythicFrost]

Originally Posted by Jaffaman27

It wasn't that hard... just have a friend to help... makes things a lot easier...
So the friend can hold the logic board when u try to attach the needed cable.

Other than that...fairly easy...
I did it with my brand new 27" i7 iMac and it was worth it...
But still..if u dont mind the extra price apple charges for their SSD go for it.
Even if it's not too hard, it's stressful as hell...

Ah, good to know.

But yes, stress... complete and utter terror, etc., I've experienced this before with my Mac Pro =D

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by MakX

- 16GB RAM upgrade from OWC

If I were you I would stay away from the evidently very attractively priced 4x4 GB NuRAM from OWC.

There are threads all over the place, including threads in the Apple Support forums where people have the spontaneous shutdown problem with OWC NuRAM in particular. It seems to be more of a problem with 16 GB NuRAM than a problem with the mainboard or firmware mishandling 16 GB of RAM.

When I started having the spontaneous shutdown problem, I searched and found the threads all over the support forums, and asked them for an RMA.

They were very helpful and credited me for the RAM immediately, and I was only out the shipping back to them.

Their price for 12 GB of Samsung was good, so just replaced the NuRAM with Samsung and have not had any problems since then. It has been long enough that I am sure that the RAM was the problem, and it has been long enough that I know I will not get the shutdown problem with 12 GB of Samsung.

The reason I went with 12 GB instead of 16 GB was because there is still some extant anecdotal testimony that several kinds of 16 GB kits cause the shutdown problem, and I didn't want to go through the irritation of another RMA.

Since I did this, the needle is swinging more and more in the direction of it being a problem unique to NuRAM 4x4 GB as sold for the current generation iMac.

[SiliBear]

Originally Posted by MakX

- 2TB Serial ATA
- 256GB SSD
- 2.9GHz i7 quad core

- 16GB RAM upgrade from OWC

This is the exact same computer I already own...with one exception, I went with 8gigs of ram (straight from Apple as I purchased through their website) rather than your 16gigs. Greatest machine I've ever owned by a long shot. Lightning fast with everything I throw at it. No beach balls even with running multiple apps running in OSX and with apps running in Win7 under VMWare at the same time.

The OS and all program software is on the SSD, I use the 2TB for my iTunes library which is comfortably large.

Apps no longer "boot" on the SSC iMac...they simply pop open on your screen as if they were already resident in memory. It's that fast.

I have no idea on the display port question though as I haven't had any reason to use it.

[janitor1999]

Am also thinking of a similar set up, do people think the ssd is worth the extra cost.

[MakX]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

If I were you I would stay away from the evidently very attractively priced 4x4 GB NuRAM from OWC.

There are threads all over the place, including threads in the Apple Support forums where people have the spontaneous shutdown problem with OWC NuRAM in particular. It seems to be more of a problem with 16 GB NuRAM than a problem with the mainboard or firmware mishandling 16 GB of RAM.

When I started having the spontaneous shutdown problem, I searched and found the threads all over the support forums, and asked them for an RMA.

They were very helpful and credited me for the RAM immediately, and I was only out the shipping back to them.

Their price for 12 GB of Samsung was good, so just replaced the NuRAM with Samsung and have not had any problems since then. It has been long enough that I am sure that the RAM was the problem, and it has been long enough that I know I will not get the shutdown problem with 12 GB of Samsung.

The reason I went with 12 GB instead of 16 GB was because there is still some extant anecdotal testimony that several kinds of 16 GB kits cause the shutdown problem, and I didn't want to go through the irritation of another RMA.

Since I did this, the needle is swinging more and more in the direction of it being a problem unique to NuRAM 4x4 GB as sold for the current generation iMac.

Thanks for that!

http://eshop.macsales.com/search/DDR3+SO+1333MHz

I plan on buying the 'OWC' branded 4x4 GB -- I can see the NuRAM listed further down. Would I be wise to get the OWC?

[iDutchman]

Originally Posted by George Knighton

If I were you I would stay away from the evidently very attractively priced 4x4 GB NuRAM from OWC.

There are threads all over the place, including threads in the Apple Support forums where people have the spontaneous shutdown problem with OWC NuRAM in particular. It seems to be more of a problem with 16 GB NuRAM than a problem with the mainboard or firmware mishandling 16 GB of RAM.

When I started having the spontaneous shutdown problem, I searched and found the threads all over the support forums, and asked them for an RMA.

They were very helpful and credited me for the RAM immediately, and I was only out the shipping back to them.

Their price for 12 GB of Samsung was good, so just replaced the NuRAM with Samsung and have not had any problems since then. It has been long enough that I am sure that the RAM was the problem, and it has been long enough that I know I will not get the shutdown problem with 12 GB of Samsung.

The reason I went with 12 GB instead of 16 GB was because there is still some extant anecdotal testimony that several kinds of 16 GB kits cause the shutdown problem, and I didn't want to go through the irritation of another RMA.

Since I did this, the needle is swinging more and more in the direction of it being a problem unique to NuRAM 4x4 GB as sold for the current generation iMac.

All I can say is that my 12GB OWC NuRAM is working just fine

[Ubuntu]

Originally Posted by iDutchman

All I can say is that my 12GB OWC NuRAM is working just fine

Aye, the 12GB seems to be fine; I've only seen threads regarding 4x4 (16GB) configurations of this RAM causing havoc.

[MakX]

Originally Posted by Ubuntu

Aye, the 12GB seems to be fine; I've only seen threads regarding 4x4 (16GB) configurations of this RAM causing havoc.

So its only 'NuRAM' that is bad in 4x4 - OWC would be fine?

[josh1231]

Originally Posted by MakX

- 2TB Serial ATA
- 256GB SSD
- 2.9GHz i7 quad core

- 16GB RAM upgrade from OWC


This is my first time looking at an SSD - I've heard that there are a limited number of read/write cycles. Is this really an issue, and if so, what is the life expectancy, per se, of the drive

The SSD will store the OS, 'Pro' applications, CS5 suite etc. The 2TB will be for casual junk (ie. assignments, probably music/movies etc). So apps should boot fast since they're on the SSD.

Also, does the DisplayPort support audio with HDMI like the new MBPs do?

Anything I'm missing or might need to consider? I understand 16GB is a bit overkill but I want to somewhat 'futureproof' it.

Any thoughts appreciated! Cheers

The SSD's would be great, but until IMac's get USB 3.0 or ESATA, I personally wouldn't get one. They're too small so you would have to buy an external hard drive, and even a firewire 800 drive is much slower than the internal hard drive. I'm not saying you shouldn't get one, this is just why I personally wouldn't.

[MakX]

Originally Posted by josh1231

The SSD's would be great, but until IMac's get USB 3.0 or ESATA, I personally wouldn't get one. They're too small so you would have to buy an external hard drive, and even a firewire 800 drive is much slower than the internal hard drive. I'm not saying you shouldn't get one, this is just why I personally wouldn't.

The 2TB SATA will compensate for the space. Can't wait for the ~July refresh, need for Uni which starts in Jan. But yeah cheers for the opinion.. I think it's the best way to go about it, though.

My Macbook had an unpleasant encounter with a glass of lemonade and is no longer functional.

[Macginger]

Originally Posted by janitor1999

Am also thinking of a similar set up, do people think the ssd is worth the extra cost.

If you have the finances to cover the extra cost of SSD, then yes go for it, but if you're still unsure try and visit your local Apple store and ask to see one in action, there's nothing like trying before you buy.
Plus it will make it a lot easier in life if you ever want to upgrade it as all the connections will be in place.
Good luck with your decision

[josh1231]

Originally Posted by MakX

The 2TB SATA will compensate for the space. Can't wait for the ~July refresh, need for Uni which starts in Jan. But yeah cheers for the opinion.. I think it's the best way to go about it, though.

My Macbook had an unpleasant encounter with a glass of lemonade and is no longer functional.

Missed the 2 TB in your post, plus I didn't even know you could get a 2TB & SSD, but I do now. Learn something every day.

With that in mind, my previous advice was completely wrong, assuming you have the funds. It will be a sweet machine.

Still looking forward to USB 3.0 though.

[SpitUK]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...ight=120gb+ssd

Thats a thread I started about my iMac. Similar spec to what you guys want and some benchies on there.

[BornAgainMac]

This is the exact configuration I would have purchased if I was getting the iMac today. I like the fact that I can share the monitor using the input Mini DisplayPort with my Macbook Air. It should be future proof for many years.

[josh1231]

Originally Posted by BornAgainMac

This is the exact configuration I would have purchased if I was getting the iMac today. I like the fact that I can share the monitor using the input Mini DisplayPort with my Macbook Air. It should be future proof for many years.

Sorry to get off topic, but I have always wondered why people look at buying a computer with regards to "future proof".

I have found that Mac's hold their value well enough that you can sell your old and buy a new one every year, for not much more than it would cost you to keep the old one for 5 years.

With this in mind, I'm wondering why people care if its "future proof".

[George Knighton]

Originally Posted by josh1231

With this in mind, I'm wondering why people care if its "future proof".

LOL... It's pretty hopeless, isn't it? :-)

[MakX]

So, just rung up TNT and found out they lost my order.

Disappointment is an understatement.

[MSM Hobbes]

Originally Posted by josh1231

Sorry to get off topic, but I have always wondered why people look at buying a computer with regards to "future proof".

I have found that Mac's hold their value well enough that you can sell your old and buy a new one every year, for not much more than it would cost you to keep the old one for 5 years.

With this in mind, I'm wondering why people care if its "future proof".

So maybe that the future s/w and apps that a person may desire / need can run fast or properly or at all on the h/w that they purchased? For example, I "can't" run Aperture 3 on my 3 yo 24" iMac.

Originally Posted by MakX

So, just rung up TNT and found out they lost my order.

Disappointment is an understatement.

Not good,,, not good at all!