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Old Jun 13, 2011, 10:28 AM   #101
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I don't really want a redesign.
Apple seems to fail on new stuff.
Like when the first design of MacBook came out.
The lid ended up breaking the body.

The new 2011 AMD seems to have problems with some user and the NVIDIA seemed to be fine.

So my guess is 2012 design might be a failure.
I might have to see for 2013.
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Old Jun 20, 2011, 11:01 PM   #102
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Since SSD caching is part of Intel's newest chipset for desktops (Z68) I would say there is a pretty good chance it will end up in mobile (Read here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4329/i...ching-review/2 ). Furthermore, I believe other manufactures have announced plans to include it in their laptops, and apple isn't one to be left out.
I don't think the macbook pro's will be much thinner (remember, then unibodies were are only 1mm thinner than the previous generation MBPs). I do hope that they will get rid of the optical drive in the 13 inch and give it discrete graphics and a bigger battery. That being said, here is my wish list:

On all models I want to see improved cooling, especially under boot camp - this is a necessity, I need it for work and if it doesn't run well I will be forced to get something thicker and may by a less reputable brand (I also don't want to carry two machines around).

13" MBP:
Option of Dual or Quad Core i7
Discrete graphics (AMD 7750 or better)
More Ports!
-2 USB ports is not enough, I want 3 of them or more. and I want them at a usable distance.
-2 Thunderbolt ports, or include an adapter to easily hook 2 monitors up to 1 port - otherwise what's the point of an AMD card with eyefinity?
-Gigabit ethernet (duh...)
-Maybe an express card slot, although thunderbolt takes care of this
-E-Sata! Just one port is all I ask. I have a 10TB external I use with my laptop. I would like to keep using it.
Better screen 1680*900 IPS or better!
4 - 8G RAM DDR3 1600
No OPTICAL DRIVE! - to everyone who thinks this makes it too similar to an air, look at the graphics & processor - those are why people get a mbp instead of a mbp, not the optical drive.
15/17" MBP
I expect these will keep the Optical Drive and feature higher res screens and faster processors. Not much more though. They may be offered with the option of a second hard drive instead of the optical though.

If apple does all of this it's a no questions asked 0-day purchase of a 13" mbp.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 03:16 AM   #103
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I would like to see the MBP to have support on external usb 5.1 sound cards...
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 03:28 AM   #104
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to tell you the truth I dont really care about the redesign. I am just happy with my 2011 unibody :P
Although it would be cool if it came with a blu-ray drive that would never happen, and possibly a HDMI port instead of using the minidisplay port/thunderbolt port.
Possibly USB 3.0 but I highly doubt it.
Design, im fine with the same unibody.
I want some real internal change more than the body.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 03:42 AM   #105
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If they can make the 15" MacBook Pro lighter, it would be a nice improvement [though I'm not sure I would need the upgraded parts]; otherwise I'm content with the current design.

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I would like to see the MBP to have support on external usb 5.1 sound cards...
The MacBook Pro does support external sound cards; many of the Creative external sound cards work along some Firewire based solutions as well.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 07:20 AM   #106
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tpossibly a HDMI port instead of using the minidisplay port/thunderbolt port.
I want some real internal change more than the body.
What?! is there something wrong with you? the adapter costs 20 bucks. And you would rather have HDMI INSTEAD of TB?!!!!
Ya lets have some real change.
How about make the optical drive read audio CD's only.
and hmm, lets also go back to single-touch trackpads.
Who needs all of these multipurpose luxuries anyway?
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 08:14 AM   #107
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What?! is there something wrong with you? the adapter costs 20 bucks. And you would rather have HDMI INSTEAD of TB?!!!!
Ya lets have some real change.
How about make the optical drive read audio CD's only.
and hmm, lets also go back to single-touch trackpads.
Who needs all of these multipurpose luxuries anyway?
Talk about off the deep end, the point is that to hook up any real world external monitor, we need to buy a $20-$30 adapter, sometimes multiple!
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 09:57 AM   #108
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The 13" MBP is about to get the boot, IMHO. New mobile line up:

11" MBA
13" MBA
15" MBP
17" MBP

All computers to carry HR displays, IB, one TB port, 2 x USB 3 and SD (except 11").
MBP to carry above, plus:
*one x FW 800
*discrete graphics
*dual drive, SSD/HDD setup
* NO ODD!
[*17" + one TB and USB3]
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 12:11 PM   #109
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The 13" MBP is about to get the boot, IMHO. New mobile line up:

11" MBA
13" MBA
15" MBP
17" MBP

All computers to carry HR displays, IB, one TB port, 2 x USB 3 and SD (except 11").
MBP to carry above, plus:
*one x FW 800
*discrete graphics
*dual drive, SSD/HDD setup
* NO ODD!
[*17" + one TB and USB3]
this would make sense imo. kill the plastic macbook as well, that mofo has outstayed his welcome
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 01:00 PM   #110
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What is wrong with the plastic macbook? IMO, put the innards of the MBP in the MB (as before) and then kill the MBP.

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SSD caching would be very nice to see but I wonder where Apple would put it. Given their obsession with size, I don't see them making the laptop bigger just to put an SSD in. MSATA SSDs are small but not that small.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 04:39 PM   #111
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If LG can fit both (SSD + HDD) in their 13" P330 and still have room to fit GT555, Core i7, and make it thinner than the current 13" MBP, I see no reason why apple won't be able to, provided they ditch the optical drive as LG did.

Also, what's all this talk about killing the 13" MBP? I'll admit the only reason it exists is so that apple could have an all notebook line and it's never had the power of it's larger screened brothers, but I think it would make more sense to make it more powerful, not less. Apple has 3 13" notebooks, I don't see them killing off two of them in one fell swoop.

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Old Jun 21, 2011, 05:06 PM   #112
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If LG can fit both (SSD + HDD) in their 13" P330 and still have room to fit GT555, Core i7, and make it thinner than the current 13" MBP, I see no reason why apple won't be able to, provided they ditch the optical drive as LG did.

Also, what's all this talk about killing the 13" MBP? I'll admit the only reason it exists is so that apple could have an all notebook line and it's never had the power of it's larger screened brothers, but I think it would make more sense to make it more powerful, not less. Apple has 3 13" notebooks, I don't see them killing off two of them in one fell swoop.
My hope is:
Together with Lion, the MacBook Airs AND the MacBook get updated with sandy bridge and 4gb ram standard. Probably thunderbolt ports too.
Then around january-february-march , the all-new lineup is here! With Lion already being stable and truly the best OS out there, they show us the real deal!
All MacBook Airs, MacBooks and MacBook Pros get Ivy Bridge, thunderbolt and usb3.

Lineup:
11"-13 MacBook Air
13" black/white MacBook
14"-16"-18" Macbook Pro

Differences?
Price:
The MBA prices drop 100$.
MB and MBP keep their current price.

Form Factors:
MBA, probably the same design as now.
MB, a little thinner overall, without the optical drive and hdd, which will be replaced by a discrete gpu and an ssd.
MBP, new design, thinner, lighter, without optical drive.

Solid-State Drives on every model!

"But a 18" workstation without storage space??" But of course! The 18" and maybe the 16" too will come with both SSD and HDD inside.

That's my bet. I believe the 14-16-18 will be better for a pro line of macs. It will more differentiate the pro from the air and the MacBook.
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Old Jun 21, 2011, 05:37 PM   #113
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The lineup is going to be this:

13" MB - $999 starting price
11" MBA - $999 starting price
13" MBA - $1299 starting price
13" MBA Black Edition - $1599 starting price
15" MBP - $1599 starting price
17" MBP - $2299 starting price

All Mac portables will lose the optical drive except for the MacBook. Apple is pushing towards internet media, and that is where Apple sees its future. An Apple optical drive will be a $99 option.

The MacBook will stay the same aethetically, perhaps a small change here and there. The big change is in the inside. It will get AMD Llano. Core 2 Duo CPU Performance, ATI Radeon 5650M HD GPU Performance, Sandy Bridge battery life.

The MacBook Pros will get thinner and lighter, but not to the point where they are 15 and 17 inch Airs.

All Macs except for PERHAPS the MacBook will get Thunderbolt, the MacBook if it goes to AMD can still very well get Thunderbolt, but 95% of consumers don't benefit from Thunderbolt.

The MacBook Air Black Edition will be just like the BlackBook. It will basically just be a high end MacBook Air with a black color to it.
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Old Jul 8, 2011, 12:27 PM   #114
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13 inch Macbook pro needs to get out of apple's product line. 13 inch Macbook should stay because it is still the cheapest macbook out there for 13 inch laptop.

15 inch needs to have a price drop... Base price at 1999 dollars is just plain ridiculous.

Every apple laptop nice should have SSD standard. Apple also needs to move into 8GB ram on high end models like 15 and 17 inch MBP.

11 inch MBA should stay at 2GB ram and 13 inch should go into 4GB ram standard on every single MBA and MB.

2012 MBP should only focus on 15 inch and 17 inch...
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Old Jul 8, 2011, 12:34 PM   #115
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13 inch Macbook pro needs to get out of apple's product line. 13 inch Macbook should stay because it is still the cheapest macbook out there for 13 inch laptop.

15 inch needs to have a price drop... Base price at 1999 dollars is just plain ridiculous.

Every apple laptop nice should have SSD standard. Apple also needs to move into 8GB ram on high end models like 15 and 17 inch MBP.

11 inch MBA should stay at 2GB ram and 13 inch should go into 4GB ram standard on every single MBA and MB.

2012 MBP should only focus on 15 inch and 17 inch...
Base price is not $1999, it's $1799.
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Old Jul 8, 2011, 12:35 PM   #116
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The lineup is going to be this:

13" MB - $999 starting price
11" MBA - $999 starting price
13" MBA - $1299 starting price
13" MBA Black Edition - $1599 starting price
15" MBP - $1599 starting price
17" MBP - $2299 starting price

All Mac portables will lose the optical drive except for the MacBook. Apple is pushing towards internet media, and that is where Apple sees its future. An Apple optical drive will be a $99 option.

The MacBook will stay the same aethetically, perhaps a small change here and there. The big change is in the inside. It will get AMD Llano. Core 2 Duo CPU Performance, ATI Radeon 5650M HD GPU Performance, Sandy Bridge battery life.

The MacBook Pros will get thinner and lighter, but not to the point where they are 15 and 17 inch Airs.

All Macs except for PERHAPS the MacBook will get Thunderbolt, the MacBook if it goes to AMD can still very well get Thunderbolt, but 95% of consumers don't benefit from Thunderbolt.

The MacBook Air Black Edition will be just like the BlackBook. It will basically just be a high end MacBook Air with a black color to it.
lol no.
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Old Jul 8, 2011, 03:05 PM   #117
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Well I'm very new the MBP world, but last night I met one of my former coworkers who works in the iPhone division (RF Engineer) at Apple.

Aside from the fact that he hinted strongly that Verizon's iPhone 5 will have LTE (we're both RF guys so that's what we talk about), he also hinted that Apple wants to phase out mechanical hard drives across all portable machines.

Basically Apple's principle is that all devices must be responsive as well as having the best screens.

He doesn't know much about the MBP division, he was just able to tell me general directions Apple wants to go with their entire product line. He said IVY Bridge & USB 3.0 was a given as well and there's a strong possibility of a 1080p screen on the 15" models, possibly higher resolution across the MBP lines, because this is something Apple employees feel they're lagging behind in.

He also said next years MPBs will feature improved screens (possible IPS? who knows) as well as slightly changed bodies (he's seen mockups that look more Macbook air styled).

In summary he hinted at the following things for the 2012 Models.
  • Possibly no more Harddrives (SSD FTW!)
  • IvyBridge + USB 3.0
  • Higher Resolutions across all Models.
  • Better Screens
  • New Body (Macbook Air inspired)

Based on Apple's current pricing (I can only assume) I believe the Models will be sold as follows:


MBP - 13"
  • $1199 - Dual Core Ivy Bridge Integrated GPU + Optional 1440 x 900 Screen + 128GB SSD
  • $1499 - 13" Quadcore (or higher clocked Dualcore) Ivy Bridge + Dedicated GPU + 128GB SSD

MBP - 15"
  • $1799 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Dedicated GPU + Standard 1680 x 1050 Optional 1920 x 1200 Screen + 128GB SSD
  • $2199 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Faster Dedicated GPU + 256GB SSD + Same screen options as above.

MBP - 17"
  • $2499 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Fastest Dedicated GPU + 256GB SSD + 1920 x 1200
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Well I'm very new the MBP world, but last night I met one of my former coworkers who works in the iPhone division (RF Engineer) at Apple.

Aside from the fact that he hinted strongly that Verizon's iPhone 5 will have LTE (we're both RF guys so that's what we talk about), he also hinted that Apple wants to phase out mechanical hard drives across all portable machines.

Basically Apple's principle is that all devices must be responsive as well as having the best screens.

He doesn't know much about the MBP division, he was just able to tell me general directions Apple wants to go with their entire product line. He said IVY Bridge & USB 3.0 was a given as well and there's a strong possibility of a 1080p screen on the 15" models, possibly higher resolution across the MBP lines, because this is something Apple employees feel they're lagging behind in.

He also said next years MPBs will feature improved screens (possible IPS? who knows) as well as slightly changed bodies (he's seen mockups that look more Macbook air styled).

In summary he hinted at the following things for the 2012 Models.
  • Possibly no more Harddrives (SSD FTW!)
  • IvyBridge + USB 3.0
  • Higher Resolutions across all Models.
  • Better Screens
  • New Body (Macbook Air inspired)

Based on Apple's current pricing (I can only assume) I believe the Models will be sold as follows:


MBP - 13"
  • $1199 - Dual Core Ivy Bridge Integrated GPU + Optional 1440 x 900 Screen + 128GB SSD
  • $1499 - 13" Quadcore (or higher clocked Dualcore) Ivy Bridge + Dedicated GPU + 128GB SSD

MBP - 15"
  • $1799 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Dedicated GPU + Standard 1680 x 1050 Optional 1920 x 1200 Screen + 128GB SSD
  • $2199 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Faster Dedicated GPU + 256GB SSD + Same screen options as above.

MBP - 17"
  • $2499 - QuadCore Ivy Bridge + Fastest Dedicated GPU + 256GB SSD + 1920 x 1200
that would be PERFECT! if only they remove the odd too...
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that would be PERFECT! if only they remove the odd too...
sounds like a rumor to me! and a juicy one. but, it doesn't make sense. they (especially the 13") sound like great big airs. i guess we'll have to wait and see. personally, i think the improved displays are a given. beyond that, i think apple is going to have a difficult time selling people on the idea of tiny memories (only ssd).

by the way, i was in a computer store today and when i walked by the macs i decided to take a look at the airs and realized i was looking at a 13" mbp--the same computer i own! lol. it looks so tiny, especially next to the 17". i love the body, and i don't see any need for a redesign myself. i don't think they can make it much smaller and still be able to fit in the hot processors + hdd.
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sounds like a rumor to me! and a juicy one. but, it doesn't make sense. they (especially the 13") sound like great big airs. i guess we'll have to wait and see. personally, i think the improved displays are a given. beyond that, i think apple is going to have a difficult time selling people on the idea of tiny memories (only ssd).

by the way, i was in a computer store today and when i walked by the macs i decided to take a look at the airs and realized i was looking at a 13" mbp--the same computer i own! lol. it looks so tiny, especially next to the 17". i love the body, and i don't see any need for a redesign myself. i don't think they can make it much smaller and still be able to fit in the hot processors + hdd.
i doubt theyll make big changes to the body, only small cosmetic ones and maybe to improve cooling and sturdiness, i dont think theyll get much thinner than they are now

who knows, maybe apple gets good deals on ssds and we get them cheaper than they are now, maybe youll get 256 gb ssd in 17'' standard and 512 for 300 bucks, that would be great

but i dont understand ivy bridge, they say its gonna need 50% less power, but only for low power chips or across the line?
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Apple needs to keep the current design as I don't see a reason to change it. They should add another usb drive, upgrade to a better display remove the optical drive, add another audio port on the 13" and they all should come with SSD drives.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:37 AM   #122
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Apple needs to keep the current design as I don't see a reason to change it. They should add another usb drive, upgrade to a better display remove the optical drive, add another audio port on the 13" and they all should come with SSD drives.
well i see a reason, a possibility to be better? shouldnt that be enough?
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better heat management , for god's sake the current mbps are pretty hot.
remove the optical drive for a bigger heatsink
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Well, it's been 3 years since they released the unibody mbp. My Apple Care expires in February which usually means I'm going to replace my laptop. How much would I be able to sell my 17 inch MBP for? (2.93 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB 1067MHZ DDR3, Nvidia 9600M GT, 320GB 7200 RPM)
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that would be PERFECT! if only they remove the odd too...
Btw those pricing packages are stuff I'm speculating on.

Also, I should have specified when I said macbook air styling....he meant they'll be using the wedge shape design (possibly more curves).

Basically, I don't think Apple will interfere with the styling much aside from that wedge shape at the palm rest perhaps. I hope the ends aren't sharp.

But he said better screens (didn't say higher res, but I assumed he meant that), USB 3.0 (Yes!) and Ivy Bridge (a given) and faster GPUs (assumed to be a given) are coming for sure to the 2012 line, as well as a push for SSDs (don't know if this means they're coming standard or just cheaper ugprade prices).

But if there's a $2500 2012 MBP that features a faster Quad Core Ivy Bridge CPU, 256GB SSD, 1680 x 1050 screen and faster GPU, that's a hella tempting.

Also I think Apple needs to drop the low end MBP 15.

Start it at $1999 with the base being
- Quad Core Ivy Bridge CPU (CPU Upgrade $200)
- Dedicated GPU (option for higher end model - $150)
- 4GB RAM (8GB upgrade - $150)
- 128GB SSD (256GB upgrade $300)
- 1680 x 1050 Glossy Screen (1920 x 1200AG upgrade - $150)

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