MS & Intel want to rule with an iron hand

Kethoticus · Sep 17, 2002, 02:18 AM

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

If this has any substance, we need to notify our local congressmen. I know we're Mac users, but if Apple decides to go this route too, and if the record/entertainment companies do their thing as well, we're all screwed, regardless of computing platform.

Sun Baked · Sep 17, 2002, 05:45 AM

I thought the test marketing of Office software leasing failed in it's test market (Australia).

But this hardware/software checking would definitely allow leased software, which is Microsoft's preferred model.

Fail to pay that monthly toll, and the PC grinds to a halt. Become late enough in the payments and the software removes itself from your computer.

Oh what fun...

Stike · Sep 17, 2002, 08:49 AM

OMG! This is just terrible! If this would ever come true, corporations will dominate our lives!!! DANGER!!! This is dangerous! Practices described in this FAQ are completely illegal! They are against the freedom of the individual. Terrible.

In Germany, something like this is against the constitution! It will never come true, and if it would, I´d go and live somewhere in the rainforest with the apes...

shadowfax0 · Sep 17, 2002, 05:50 PM

...well D'uh!

BongHits · Sep 17, 2002, 06:11 PM

it looks like i might be stuck with a 933 and os x 10.2 (assuming apple goes this route) until this whole digital piracy thing blows over (which will be quite awhile considering how much music corp's have in the bank) all i know is the best way to defeat ms and intels plans on stoppin us is by NOT BUYING their product...who would have ever thought it could be so simple...than again the ratio of idiots to people with common sense in this world is quite disturbing.

uhlawboi80 · Sep 17, 2002, 07:03 PM

wow...i just read the entire article, and YIKES. thats a pretty freaky reality. If that system actually comes to be...i may just live without their "certified" programs and just run something like linux.

though i do have my doubts about this... i have read several articles about various governments (including the US) demanding open source software and threatening microsoft that they will switch to something like linux so they can have their own tech people look for security holes and patch them or modify programs as needed.

who knows for sure...but this is not turning into a futire i want to have.

Kethoticus · Sep 17, 2002, 09:02 PM

I've already emailed my senators and representative. And they're all Democrats, which in this case, might prove to be advantageous. But either way, we need to let our elected officials know how we feel about this, because they have the power to stop it.

Gelfin · Sep 17, 2002, 10:03 PM

You know what, this would be a wonderful value for me as a user. I also want Volkswagen to be able to decide where I'm authorized to drive my car, and to be able to decide how fast is safe independently of local speed limits. I mean, they built the car, they should be able to decide where and how it should be used, especially if I were leasing. So they should definitely be able to monitor everything I do with my car and to automatically kill the engine or take control and drive my car back to someplace "safe". And if I insist on trying to thwart them, they should be able to have my car automatically return to the dealer so I can't abuse them anymore.

It'll be so nice to have a car I can trust.

chmorley · Sep 17, 2002, 11:42 PM

News of this has been around for months now (which, of course, doesn't make it any less scary).

Here is a great ZDNet article on the subject.

This is the good thing about markets. If enough people become upset about this and decide they don't want it, the market will favor another company.

This isn't written in stone yet. Not at all.

Chris

RogueLdr · Sep 17, 2002, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chmorley
This is the good thing about markets. If enough people become upset about this and decide they don't want it, the market will favor another company.

This isn't written in stone yet. Not at all.

Chris

The problem comes when SOME people or companies go ahead and upgrade, which would then require their clients , collaborators, and colleagues to have the upgraded version of the software to be able to use files created on the first person's computer. From here the possibility of snowballing adoption of this attrocity becomes very real.

RL

Sep 17, 2002, 02:18 AM	#1
Kethoticus macrumors 6502 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Physically, I live in LA. But I miss my native NYC.	MS & Intel want to rule with an iron hand http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html If this has any substance, we need to notify our local congressmen. I know we're Mac users, but if Apple decides to go this route too, and if the record/entertainment companies do their thing as well, we're all screwed, regardless of computing platform. __________________ There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who believe themselves sinners; the sinners who believe themselves righteous. -Blaise Pascal

Sep 17, 2002, 05:45 AM	#2
Sun Baked macrumors 603 Join Date: May 2002	I thought the test marketing of Office software leasing failed in it's test market (Australia). But this hardware/software checking would definitely allow leased software, which is Microsoft's preferred model. Fail to pay that monthly toll, and the PC grinds to a halt. Become late enough in the payments and the software removes itself from your computer. Oh what fun... __________________ May you be plagued by images of Richard Simmons flouncing through you brain, and squat thrusting his way though all waking thoughts.

Sep 17, 2002, 08:49 AM	#3
Stike macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	OMG! This is just terrible! If this would ever come true, corporations will dominate our lives!!! DANGER!!! This is dangerous! Practices described in this FAQ are completely illegal! They are against the freedom of the individual. Terrible. In Germany, something like this is against the constitution! It will never come true, and if it would, I´d go and live somewhere in the rainforest with the apes... __________________ - "Fiat justitia et ruant coeli!" -

Sep 17, 2002, 05:50 PM	#4
shadowfax0 macrumors 6502 Join Date: May 2002	MS & Intel want to rule with an iron hand... ...well D'uh! __________________ I might be in the gutter, but I'm looking up at the stars...

Sep 17, 2002, 09:02 PM	#7
Kethoticus Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Physically, I live in LA. But I miss my native NYC.	We need to let our reps know how we feel. I've already emailed my senators and representative. And they're all Democrats, which in this case, might prove to be advantageous. But either way, we need to let our elected officials know how we feel about this, because they have the power to stop it. __________________ There are only two kinds of men: the righteous who believe themselves sinners; the sinners who believe themselves righteous. -Blaise Pascal

Sep 17, 2002, 06:11 PM	#5
BongHits macrumors regular Join Date: May 2002 Location: chicago	it looks like i might be stuck with a 933 and os x 10.2 (assuming apple goes this route) until this whole digital piracy thing blows over (which will be quite awhile considering how much music corp's have in the bank) all i know is the best way to defeat ms and intels plans on stoppin us is by NOT BUYING their product...who would have ever thought it could be so simple...than again the ratio of idiots to people with common sense in this world is quite disturbing.

Sep 17, 2002, 07:03 PM	#6
uhlawboi80 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: houston	wow...i just read the entire article, and YIKES. thats a pretty freaky reality. If that system actually comes to be...i may just live without their "certified" programs and just run something like linux. though i do have my doubts about this... i have read several articles about various governments (including the US) demanding open source software and threatening microsoft that they will switch to something like linux so they can have their own tech people look for security holes and patch them or modify programs as needed. who knows for sure...but this is not turning into a futire i want to have.

Sep 17, 2002, 10:03 PM	#8
Gelfin macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA	You know what, this would be a wonderful value for me as a user. I also want Volkswagen to be able to decide where I'm authorized to drive my car, and to be able to decide how fast is safe independently of local speed limits. I mean, they built the car, they should be able to decide where and how it should be used, especially if I were leasing. So they should definitely be able to monitor everything I do with my car and to automatically kill the engine or take control and drive my car back to someplace "safe". And if I insist on trying to thwart them, they should be able to have my car automatically return to the dealer so I can't abuse them anymore. It'll be so nice to have a car I can trust. __________________ Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. --Philip K. Dick

Sep 17, 2002, 11:42 PM	#9
chmorley macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denver, CO	Not new News of this has been around for months now (which, of course, doesn't make it any less scary). Here is a great ZDNet article on the subject. This is the good thing about markets. If enough people become upset about this and decide they don't want it, the market will favor another company. This isn't written in stone yet. Not at all. Chris __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." --Rene Descartes

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