iTunes and MP3 - which bitrate should I choose?

[jon08]

So I've come to the point where I would like to digitalize my entire CD collection for the convenience sake and to have all my music in one place - iTunes. Now the problem is that I would like to make a compromise between sound quality and size of the MP3s I will be making.

The question is, should I just go with 256 kbps? Or would VBR be better in terms of sound quality and reasonable size? (I probably won't be ditching my original CDs, but still plan to archive the MP3s I will be making...)

I would also need some help with iTunes settings:

- what should I choose under quality? (It ranges from Lowest to Highest)
- Sample Rate?
- Channels?


Thanks.

[TMRaven]

320kbps variable bitrate aac is what I use. I personally can't tell the difference between it and lossless even with the very analytical DT990 headphones.

[jon08]

The problem with AAC (in my opinion) is compatibility, as it's only compatible with iTunes, iPod, Zune and some others, while MP3 is basically compatible with any sound devices....

[blueroom]

Originally Posted by jon08

The problem with AAC (in my opinion) is compatibility, as it's only compatible with iTunes, iPod, Zune and some others, while MP3 is basically compatible with any sound devices....

What other devices would you want?

I switched over to Apple Lossless. When syncing with an iPod I let iTunes downconvert it to 128kBs.

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by jon08

So I've come to the point where I would like to digitalize my entire CD collection for the convenience sake and to have all my music in one place - iTunes. Now the problem is that I would like to make a compromise between sound quality and size of the MP3s I will be making.

The question is, should I just go with 256 kbps? Or would VBR be better in terms of sound quality and reasonable size? (I probably won't be ditching my original CDs, but still plan to archive the MP3s I will be making...)

I would also need some help with iTunes settings:

- what should I choose under quality? (It ranges from Lowest to Highest)
- Sample Rate?
- Channels?


Thanks.

Skip the "compromise" and just use Apple Lossless. Otherwise sooner or later you will be re-ripping al the CDs. Because some day you might buy better stereo equipment ad maybe over time you listening skills will improve. Youcanbuy a 1TB disk for well under $100. Disk space is dirt cheap. No reason to use small files.

If you must compress then AAC is better than MP3. Use AAC320.

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by jon08

The problem with AAC (in my opinion) is compatibility, as it's only compatible with iTunes, iPod, Zune and some others, while MP3 is basically compatible with any sound devices....

1) Are you really ever going to buy something that can't play AAC?

2) You can convert formats if you download to a low-end device, but keep the archive in the best format you can.

[jon08]

Originally Posted by ChrisA

1) Are you really ever going to buy something that can't play AAC?

2) You can convert formats if you download to a low-end device, but keep the archive in the best format you can.

That's what I've been wondering myself. I guess my concern stems from whether a Hi-fi or whatever CD player would play those AAC songs if I were to burn them on a CD... And I assume it wouldn't...

[TMRaven]

Just get a hi-fi setup that doesn't use CDs then. Pretty simple.

[jon08]

I heard that above 192 kbps AAC and MP3 are the same in terms of sound quality and pretty much the size too.. Why use AAC then?

[TMRaven]

No I havn't heard that. While it is definitely harder to discern differences between different codecs at higher bitrates, or even a 320kbps mp3/aac or a losses file, there will always be very subtle difference that depend on bitrate, how codec handles compression etc.

I choose AAC over MP3 because it technically is the superior codec, even though it might not be as widely supported as of yet, or as mature as mp3, or even if it's extremely hard to tell their difference.

I do remember reading somewhere that above 192kbps bitrate met satisfactory transparency requirements for some audio standard, but I've never read that the two codecs are virtually the same above 192kbps. As for size-- well size will be exactly the same if both are at same bitrate obviously.

[jon08]

I see. You said that you use 320AAC VBR - why should I use VBR as opposed to CBR? Is it because it's smaller size only, or will it benefit in sound quality too?

[TMRaven]

It's just supposedly a more efficient way of encoding. It will use less bitrate when it sees necessary (like on a silent part of a song, or an instrumental solo) and more bitrate for busier parts of the song where instrument separation is ideal. The end result should be about the same file size as constant bitrate.

For video encoding it can be a bit different, because your perceived quality relies moreso on the slower frames, so something like variable bitrate x264 uses a higher bitrate in slower frames so people can perceive more detail, while using less bitrate for faster scenes, where motion blur is part of the eye's natural phenomenon (it's still a pain to see macroblocking artifacts, but x264 and other advanced codecs have macroblock blurring)

[jon08]

I see, thanks. So I should use the following settings?

320AAC VBR
Sample Rate: 44.100 kHz
Channels: Auto
High Efficiency Encoding: ON or OFF?
Optimize for voice: I guess OFF?

[jon08]

Btw, does iTunes still use the "Fraunhofer" encoding method with MP3s? Or is it LAME now?

[Ommid]

Mine is all lossless but I wouldn't go for under 320kbps these days personally

[AdrianK]

If you have a large CD collection, definitely archive as FLAC/ALAC, to give you maximum flexibility. That way you can encode to any lossy format whenever you choose.

Sample rate should be left as default (44100Hz).
For channels, joint stereo should be used (this uses matrixed channels, as far as I understand).

[Zoddino]

use the iTunes Plus preset and you're good to go. Or archive with lossless then go with AAC True VBR available only through XLD

[jon08]

Originally Posted by AdrianK

If you have a large CD collection, definitely archive as FLAC/ALAC, to give you maximum flexibility. That way you can encode to any lossy format whenever you choose.

Sample rate should be left as default (44100Hz).
For channels, joint stereo should be used (this uses matrixed channels, as far as I understand).

Does iTunes play FLAC?

[TMRaven]

No, but it plays alac.

[jon08]

So I guess it's best to just go with ALAC then... Do you think 320kbps MP3s will feel "obsolete" or useless 20 years from now?

[TMRaven]

Perhaps, but not as much as other compression technologies.