Apple Shareholders Meeting 2005

[MacRumors]

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News.com reports on Apple's annual shareholder meeting yesterday.

Environmental issues took center stage with protests regarding Apple's recycling policies which Jobs defended.

Beyond this there were the usual range of questions on future products and suggestions for Apple to better market the Mac against Windows based computers.

[G.Kirby]

They also had a pop at the tiny bit of lead in the iPod. It is a bit of a back handed compliment as one of the echo warriors was quoted as saying some thing like - "we're going after the iPod because it is the IT device of the moment."

Well it has worked for them as they have got some press, even if their facts are a bit pie in the sky.

[chubad]

He did a good job exposing the tree huggers half truths and msinformation. Way to go Steve!

[Windowlicker]

I don't get this recycling stuff.. Who would even want to trash a mac?!? there's always someone who will want it.

[ASP272]

Apple can recycle their Macs at my house!

[JGowan]

I love it that Steve called Apple being singled out "Bulls**t" -- it's probably some other industry people who want to cause Apple some bad publicity right before Tiger and other announcements of cool stuff.

[darkwing]

Originally Posted by JGowan

I love it that Steve called Apple being singled out "Bulls**t" -- it's probably some other industry people who want to cause Apple some bad publicity right before Tiger and other announcements of cool stuff.

The modern environmental movement is really about anti-capitalism than anti-pollution anyway.

Besides, everyone knows the solution to pollution is dilution. Just burn it all!

Steven

[mad jew]

I hate the way the hippies gang up on one company when in reality, it's the whole industry they're unhappy with. They did it here in Australia with petrol (gas) stations when they singled out Mobil and tried to get people to boycott them. It's a pretty common technique. It's a shame they've picked on Apple and not Dell/HP or someone else.

[iGary]

Stupid, hippy, non-rational, perfect world environmentalists.
I wish I had so much time on my hands.

I certainly hope they don't produce any trash themselves, don't poop or pee, don't drive a car or use anything that comes in packaging.

I mean if you're gonna be an environmentalist, go all the way.

Jeebus, I'm environmentally minded, but these people are over the top.

I'm glad someone bought up the topic of marketing against Windows. Apple needs to spend some money educating people.

[Sun Baked]

Heck is all Apple has to do is agree to take any computer dropped off at a store... then all they have to do is donate the machines to places like.

www.cristina.org

Edit: just because it's an old useless dust collector to you, doesn't mean it's useless to somebody who cannot afford a computer.

[G.Kirby]

Apple can't be held responsible for what a comsumer does with any old macs. The comsumer has a responsibility to despose of their waste in a correct and proper manner. In education now we can not put ANY IT waste in a normal bin. Everything has to be desposed off correctly.

I do think it is cool that Apple is trying to educate its comsumers in this matter.

[G.Kirby]

I wonder if Domino's Pizza has been critisised for not collecting empty pizza boxes.

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally Posted by Sun Baked

Heck is all Apple has to do is agree to take any computer dropped off at a store... then all they have to do is donate the machines to places like.

www.cristina.org

Edit: just because it's an old useless dust collector to you, doesn't mean it's useless to somebody who cannot afford a computer.

A better solution would be to educate the users about such charities.

[Sunrunner]

Originally Posted by Windowlicker

I don't get this recycling stuff.. Who would even want to trash a mac?!? there's always someone who will want it.

Its one of the hidden values of having a mac, there is a very active market for older macs and Mac as collector items. Compare that with the PC side, where you often cant hardly even give away your old computer.

[tromboneaholic]

We need the environment. I think companies should be pressured to protect it. I guess you kids haven't read about the rape of the environment during the industrial revolution.

I love Apple, by the way. I just love the food I eat, the water I drink, and the air I breathe a little more.

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally Posted by tromboneaholic

We need the environment. I think companies should be pressured to protect it. I guess you kids haven't read about the rape of the environment during the industrial revolution.

I love Apple, by the way. I just love the food I eat, the water I drink, and the air I breathe a little more.

Define "pressured".

Apple recycles computers for $30. Isn't your water, food, air, etc. worth $30?

[tromboneaholic]

Originally Posted by eric_n_dfw

Define "pressured".

Apple recycles computers for $30. Isn't your water, food, air, etc. worth $30?

My comments were not restricted to Apple, but merely stating an ideology.

However, $30 is not the only issue at hand. There are also questions of packaging (pizza boxes), product design, and customer education.

[Sunrunner]

Originally Posted by tromboneaholic

We need the environment. I think companies should be pressured to protect it. I guess you kids haven't read about the rape of the environment during the industrial revolution.

I love Apple, by the way. I just love the food I eat, the water I drink, and the air I breathe a little more.

Ugg, get a life already. Apple has always had a progressive enviromental policy. These people that want their 15 minutes should go take care of the real enviromental problems, like China.

[tromboneaholic]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Ugg, get a life already. Apple has always had a progressive enviromental policy. These people that want their 15 minutes should go take care of the real enviromental problems, like China.

I have one...see my post count?

[albert g]

The way to change the direction of the environmental movement is to get involved. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke...and we've got enough pollution...especially when it's coming out of your a...

[martman]

I'm really sick of this particular fallacy: "THEY are worse so WE don't have a problem."
I repeat this is a fallacy.
We have a problem and we should clean it up.
As for your Dell numbers: "IDC had Dell's share at 18.2 percent" while Apple is around 1.75% of the market.


So if you do the math you find that Dell recycles 1813.19 tons per percent of market share while Apple recycles 857 tons per percent of market share OR you can look at it like this: if Apple had the same market share as Dell and had the same success recycling as they do now they would have recycled 15,600 tons VS Dell's 33,000.

Sorry your argument falls flat.

[rockthecasbah]

Originally Posted by martman

So if you do the math you find that Dell recycles 1813.19 tons per percent of market share while Apple recycles 857 tons per percent of market share OR you can look at it like this: if Apple had the same market share as Dell and had the same success recycling as they do now they would have recycled 15,600 tons VS Dell's 33,000.

Sorry your argument falls flat.

What are you doing to get these calculations

[zac4mac]

martman - numbers are wrong, should be 1813.19*1.75=3173.1 tons. Steve said 1500, that's close - factor of only 2. You're off by almost an order of magnitude.

I like Steve's comment. Concise and to the point.

BTW - am and always have been('cept for 6 yrs in the Navy) a long haired hippie. Recycling is a necessary thing, but these guys are nutzos.

[gwangung]

Originally Posted by martman

I'm really sick of this particular fallacy: "THEY are worse so WE don't have a problem."
I repeat this is a fallacy.
We have a problem and we should clean it up.
As for your Dell numbers: "IDC had Dell's share at 18.2 percent" while Apple is around 1.75% of the market.


So if you do the math you find that Dell recycles 1813.19 tons per percent of market share while Apple recycles 857 tons per percent of market share OR you can look at it like this: if Apple had the same market share as Dell and had the same success recycling as they do now they would have recycled 15,600 tons VS Dell's 33,000.

Sorry your argument falls flat.

Well, maybe if you assume that Dell computers and Apple Computers weight the same. Not sure they do. And is Dell including things like printers which they sell but Apple does not (at least, not as much as?) (and I would argue that they could count as "computer equipment")? And CRT monitors (which are heavier than LCD monitors)?

Not sure a simplistic count of tonnage is all that useful....

[alms]

Not sure a simplistic count of tonnage is all that useful....

This is correct. Companies include all sorts of material in their "recycled" numbers. They sometimes include computers that were returned as defective, bad parts that were found during manufacturing, old computers used by Apple employees, etc.

Unless companies provide a lot more info, a simple number like "1,500 tons" really doesn't mean a whole lot.