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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:34 PM   #1
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ATT will now blacklist your imei on your stolen/lost iPhone

....But you have to buy their insurance. If you have their insurance and you lose or your iPhone or gets stolen they will blacklist your imei # and recover your iPhone of they try to activate it. Insurance cost 10.00 a month with a 200.00 deductible, but it covers lost and stolen phones too. This imei blacklisting is new to att, even though everyother carrier does it.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:35 PM   #2
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Sounds like extortion to me...
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:37 PM   #3
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that stupid. They should blacklist if you lose it anyway. I never understood this rule. I know that some people would try to screw over a buyer by claiming it was "stolen" when they sell, but I mean really? this is stupid.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:37 PM   #4
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Makes perfect sense to me

Att either:
- Gets paid extra through insurance by the iPhone user

or:
- Gets another paying customer on their network who stole the phone

Just got to follow the money trail...





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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:42 PM   #5
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They've never blacklisted any of their lost/stolen iPhones since 2007, so why start now. A $200 deductible is a scam as others have said b/c they should be doing it for free anyway...
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:48 PM   #6
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 05:59 PM   #7
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....But you have to buy their insurance. If you have their insurance and you lose or your iPhone or gets stolen they will blacklist your imei # and recover your iPhone of they try to activate it. Insurance cost 10.00 a month with a 200.00 deductible, but it covers lost and stolen phones too. This imei blacklisting is new to att, even though everyother carrier does it.
To be fair, AT&T does blacklist this for non-iPhones that have been stolen. At least they did when I used to work there (long before iPhone were around. lol).
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Or you download the "Find My Phone" app and take justice into your own hands.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:00 PM   #9
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IMO AT&T should be blacklisting ALL lost or stolen phones no matter what brand or whether the customer had insurance.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:05 PM   #10
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I went to att today to buy me some cases for my 4S and was asking about their insurance they offered.

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Or you download the "Find My Phone" app and take justice into your own hands.
Once they pull your sim or restore your iPhone or even turn it off find my iPhone doesn't work any more.
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When phones were dumb and cost $50 I could understand the carriers reluctance to blacklist imeis. But with an iPhone costing as much as $850, I think they have an obligation to discourage theft.

This, of course, is just my opinion.
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When phones were dumb and cost $50 I could understand the carriers reluctance to blacklist imeis. But with an iPhone costing as much as $850, I think they have an obligation to discourage theft.
That would cost them money though if they blacklist a potential future customer using that stolen iPhone on their network
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How can ATT blacklist IMEI when last I knew they don't have/ use them. Isn't that a CDMA thing?
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That would cost them money though if they blacklist a potential future customer using that stolen iPhone on their network
I know, right? I hate government intervention, but sometimes these companies beg for it....
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:12 PM   #15
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How can ATT blacklist IMEI when last I knew they don't have/ use them. Isn't that a CDMA thing?
They do use them....
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How can ATT blacklist IMEI when last I knew they don't have/ use them. Isn't that a CDMA thing?
No.

See Settings > General > About.

I think you are thinking of ESN.
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No.

See Settings > General > About.

I think you are thinking of ESN.
Correct ESN. So is it possible then to block a IMEI like CDMA does ESN?
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:22 PM   #18
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What's the point? Is the thief going to be like "Oh, okay fine. I'll return it to the guy I stole it from since I can't activate it."

Chances are, they'll just sell it on CL.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:25 PM   #19
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That would cost them money though if they blacklist a potential future customer using that stolen iPhone on their network
I don't really think that's a valid argument.

Over here, the carriers block IMEIs for all lost/stolen phones and they share the data between each other.

That means that if your phone is stolen, its IMEI will be blocked on all carriers in your country as well as many carriers in other EU countries.

I don't really see anyone being in the situation that they have to choose between:

a) A stolen cell phone

OR

b) No cell phone

The carriers aren't going to lose customers from this.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:31 PM   #20
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What's the point? Is the thief going to be like "Oh, okay fine. I'll return it to the guy I stole it from since I can't activate it."

Chances are, they'll just sell it on CL.
Well, if everyone knows this is regular practice to block IMEI's, then it could actually help reduce theft. Why steal something you know will be useless. And if other people know this can be blocked, people would (hopefully) ask for more proof of legitimacy when purchasing off of eBay or CL.
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Well, if everyone knows this is regular practice to block IMEI's, then it could actually help reduce theft. Why steal something you know will be useless. And if other people know this can be blocked, people would (hopefully) ask for more proof of legitimacy when purchasing off of eBay or CL.
If this held true people would have stopped stealing car stereos as many now are useless without the correct PCM. But they'll always steal them and someone will always buy them.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:48 PM   #22
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How can ATT blacklist IMEI when last I knew they don't have/ use them. Isn't that a CDMA thing?
Your phone still transimite the IMEI number to AT&T that is how they know if what phone you are using.
AT&T should of been blacklisting stolen phones for a while and sure as hell should not be charging for this service.
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 06:54 PM   #23
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If this held true people would have stopped stealing car stereos as many now are useless without the correct PCM. But they'll always steal them and someone will always buy them.
I don't know what PCMs for car stereos (I'm a New Yorker, we take the subway) are but if it a digital signature that can be tracked and stopped at a central source, then it should.

Can PCMs be tracked this way? Or are they more like DRM when it just makes use more difficult but not impossible?
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I don't know what PCMs for car stereos (I'm a New Yorker, we take the subway) are but if it a digital signature that can be tracked and stopped at a central source, then it should.

Can PCMs be tracked this way? Or are they more like DRM when it just makes use more difficult but not impossible?
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Old Oct 9, 2011, 07:28 PM   #25
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That doesn't make any sense.
Blacklist some iPhones with insurance and not all phones reported lost or stolen?
I call bs.
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