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Old Dec 5, 2011, 06:53 PM   #1
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Installing OSX and booting of off USB Flash drive

I am sure there were many posting on this topic, none of them however clearly solved this issue
I have MacMini G4, original boot rom doesn't support booting off of USB drive, there are tweaks I've seem people used to bypass that.
My first issue however is how to even install OSX (either Tiger or Leopard) on USB stick? Installer always tells me I cannot install on USB drive

I want to have a small solid state device I can use in case emergency/backup
to startup and restore my original HD
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 07:12 PM   #2
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I am sure there were many posting on this topic, none of them however clearly solved this issue
I have MacMini G4, original boot rom doesn't support booting off of USB drive, there are tweaks I've seem people used to bypass that.
My first issue however is how to even install OSX (either Tiger or Leopard) on USB stick? Installer always tells me I cannot install on USB drive

I want to have a small solid state device I can use in case emergency/backup
to startup and restore my original HD
You will need a USB flash drive that is large enough to hold your OS install media. When you are up and running (either from booting off of the CD/DVD, or from the OS on the hard disk) you can open Disk Utility and select the USB drive on the left. Select "Restore" on the right and drag the "Mac OS X Install DVD" from the left to the top section (source). Drag the USB Flash Drive to the bottom section (destination). and click Restore. It will of course overwrite anything on your USB drive and format it as Mac OS Extended and will give it the same volume name as the DVD. You should be able to reboot and hold down the Option button and see the USB drive as an option. It will take some time to complete (30 minutes or more).

This has worked for me on an iMac G5 1.8. I have not tried it on a Mac mini so I am unsure what the machine will do when attempting to boot from the USB drive but above is how you create the bootable USB media.

The PowerMac G4 I have will boot from a USB-based DVD drive, so it may work for you.
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 07:15 PM   #3
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It runs slower then a crippled dog trying to use OSX from a flash drive.
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 07:43 PM   #4
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You will need a USB flash drive that is large enough to hold your OS install media. When you are up and running (either from booting off of the CD/DVD, or from the OS on the hard disk) you can open Disk Utility and select the USB drive on the left. Select "Restore" on the right and drag the "Mac OS X Install DVD" from the left to the top section (source). Drag the USB Flash Drive to the bottom section (destination). and click Restore. It will of course overwrite anything on your USB drive and format it as Mac OS Extended and will give it the same volume name as the DVD. You should be able to reboot and hold down the Option button and see the USB drive as an option. It will take some time to complete (30 minutes or more).

This has worked for me on an iMac G5 1.8. I have not tried it on a Mac mini so I am unsure what the machine will do when attempting to boot from the USB drive but above is how you create the bootable USB media.

The PowerMac G4 I have will boot from a USB-based DVD drive, so it may work for you.
Thanks, I'll try that. On previous forums I also read that this was done easier with G5 based machines, but they may have referred to booting part, and they offered tricks to bypass NVRAM

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You will need a USB flash drive that is large enough to hold your OS install media. When you are up and running (either from booting off of the CD/DVD, or from the OS on the hard disk) you can open Disk

The PowerMac G4 I have will boot from a USB-based DVD drive, so it may work for you.
Oh, and one more thing, in this setup, it'll run as if it was running off of CDRom I assume? this may explain very low speed. When I boot off of external HD (Firewire 400) it's decent speed and USB2 is much faster
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 07:49 PM   #5
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Thanks, I'll try that. On previous forums I also read that this was done easier with G5 based machines, but they may have referred to booting part, and they offered tricks to bypass NVRAM

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Oh, and one more thing, in this setup, it'll run as if it was running off of CDRom I assume? this may explain very low speed. When I boot off of external HD (Firewire 400) it's decent speed and USB2 is much faster

If you boot from the USB drive to install the OS, it will install the OS much faster. I think the poster above was referring to running the OS from the USB drive.
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 07:59 PM   #6
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If you boot from the USB drive to install the OS, it will install the OS much faster. I think the poster above was referring to running the OS from the USB drive.
I think he/she was, however, when you start up off of the USB drive, I just realized after additional reading, you can in 2 modes, as if you running off of CD and we all know of how slow that is, mainly due to going "external" and swapping files back and forth, or the second type would be as if the system was actually installed on a flash drive and using it as a regular HD, which would speed up operating system

In any event, in between typing those messages I checked the size of my USB stick and the size of install CD, plus size of installed OSX. my flash drive is too small, someone mentioned before 2G needed, I have 4G and the minimum is 8G needed, ideally 16G
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Old Dec 5, 2011, 08:07 PM   #7
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I think he/she was, however, when you start up off of the USB drive, I just realized after additional reading, you can in 2 modes, as if you running off of CD and we all know of how slow that is, mainly due to going "external" and swapping files back and forth, or the second type would be as if the system was actually installed on a flash drive and using it as a regular HD, which would speed up operating system

In any event, in between typing those messages I checked the size of my USB stick and the size of install CD, plus size of installed OSX. my flash drive is too small, someone mentioned before 2G needed, I have 4G and the minimum is 8G needed, ideally 16G
If the disc image is highly fragmented, then booting from a disc will be really slow. The Apple OS install media is defragmented pretty good so they boot fairly quick but you will still hear the laser seeking when booting from the DVD/CD drive. The USB flash drive will not have this seek delay, so it will boot much faster, approaching the speed of an SSD.

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On another note, I will expect to be getting a G4 mini in the next few day and will try what I told you and report back. I was offered a few them - it would be interesting to do a cluster computing project

I will probably, depending on their RAM, setup Netboot and Server on one of the units, and try to place them on a network and make Netboot function. I have Tiger Server and Leopard Server, so I will try them. Best way to learn!
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 02:08 AM   #8
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not sure if this is what your looking for...but what i do

use either carbon copy or super duper (i use super duper lately)

http://www.bombich.com/index.html

http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDup...scription.html

insert usb stick in mac (i use 8gb size)

-start superduper
-copy "untitled" to disk image
-save as "make a name" where (your usb stick)
-image type read only...compression none
-start

now if your ever have to restore your mac

-boot off osx cd/dvd
-open disk utility
-restore tab
-source (nav to image on usb stick)
-destination (drag untitled..or whatever you called harddrive)
-check erase drive
-restore
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 03:31 AM   #9
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I am going to cross-hiijack.

I have a few macs. All are PPC except a MB with a C2D.

I have an external FW400/800 Iomega HD. I have it partitioned into at least 6 parts. I want to be able to boot off of each of them and install an OS from them. I have Leopard on one already and can install from it.

When I try to restore an install image (have tried SL and Tiger) it will not let me put anything in the source? blank. Is this because the result will have the same name as the Leopard install?

Is this a pipe dream? I have a second (and 3rd) external FW400 drive. Can I restore to those and drag and drop onto the other partitions?
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 10:05 AM   #10
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I am going to cross-hiijack.

I have a few macs. All are PPC except a MB with a C2D.

I have an external FW400/800 Iomega HD. I have it partitioned into at least 6 parts. I want to be able to boot off of each of them and install an OS from them. I have Leopard on one already and can install from it.

When I try to restore an install image (have tried SL and Tiger) it will not let me put anything in the source? blank. Is this because the result will have the same name as the Leopard install?

Is this a pipe dream? I have a second (and 3rd) external FW400 drive. Can I restore to those and drag and drop onto the other partitions?
Why don't you start a new thread instead of changing this one?
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 12:43 PM   #11
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I have the same problem booting off of a USB drive.
I could boot and hold down the 'option' key. It saw the USB drive had OSX installed on it, but wouldn't boot.

I'd love to know if anyone figured out a way to boot off of the USB drive.
If you can't boot off of it, I don't see the point of installing onto it (or even cloning to it).
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 01:52 PM   #12
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Because it can add clutter. But since you requested.
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I have the same problem booting off of a USB drive.
I could boot and hold down the 'option' key. It saw the USB drive had OSX installed on it, but wouldn't boot.

I'd love to know if anyone figured out a way to boot off of the USB drive.
If you can't boot off of it, I don't see the point of installing onto it (or even cloning to it).
Are you working on a G4 mini?
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Old Dec 6, 2011, 05:05 PM   #14
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I have the same problem booting off of a USB drive.
I could boot and hold down the 'option' key. It saw the USB drive had OSX installed on it, but wouldn't boot.

I'd love to know if anyone figured out a way to boot off of the USB drive.
If you can't boot off of it, I don't see the point of installing onto it (or even cloning to it).
how did you install it onto USB in the first place?

to boot off it, from I have read you need manipulate with NVRAM
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I just procured two of these machines today. I will attempt booting from USB and report back the results.
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No luck booting from an 8GB flash disk. The 16GB was read inappropriately in its current OS, Panther, which appeared to be a limitation of Panther or the machine's firmware, so I did not use it.

I entered Open Firmware, and did not see where it found the USB disk as an option; there was no "ud" in devaliases or any USB device that points to a disk. I will try later with an external DVD drive via USB and see if it boots it.
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No luck booting from an 8GB flash disk. The 16GB was read inappropriately in its current OS, Panther, which appeared to be a limitation of Panther or the machine's firmware, so I did not use it.

I entered Open Firmware, and did not see where it found the USB disk as an option; there was no "ud" in devaliases or any USB device that points to a disk. I will try later with an external DVD drive via USB and see if it boots it.
Did you try anything more? Did booting off of DVD/USB work?
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I'm in the same boat as you!

I recently got an imac G4 20" with Panther 10.3 and this OS has no option to boot from USB.

I've tried numerous ways of doing it and no luck. The funny thing is I also put the retail DVD and it just spits it out.

Can a non dual layer DVD drive read a dual layer DVD? Reading is all the same no?
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I'm in the same boat as you!

I recently got an imac G4 20" with Panther 10.3 and this OS has no option to boot from USB.

I've tried numerous ways of doing it and no luck. The funny thing is I also put the retail DVD and it just spits it out.

Can a non dual layer DVD drive read a dual layer DVD? Reading is all the same no?
G4 machines do not support booting from USB (firmware), but I came across people who managed to do it on here, I just can't find them so I posted this thread
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I have not tried anything additional but I can see if it will boot from a USB DVD drive.
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I attempted a boot from an external USB drive and it would not boot from it to a Leopard DVD.

Interesting thing is that I have an older G4 Power Macintosh that is a dual 500Mhz that will boot from the same USB drive. Must be a firmware limitation.
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So basically the iMac G4 can't boot off anything but its primary HDD or the DVD. So iMac G4's dont have the option of having an external HD (via USB/FW) as their main OS.

The only options we have of installing OSX Leopard would be, removing the internal HDD, use an external enclosure, connect to another mac, install OSX to the the now external HDD. Remove the enclosure and pop it back in to the imac.

Or, can we just upgrade the DVD drive to a DL readable drive? I have one sitting around maybe that would work to just boot of the Install DVD directly???
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So basically the iMac G4 can't boot off anything but its primary HDD or the DVD. So iMac G4's dont have the option of having an external HD (via USB/FW) as their main OS.

The only options we have of installing OSX Leopard would be, removing the internal HDD, use an external enclosure, connect to another mac, install OSX to the the now external HDD. Remove the enclosure and pop it back in to the imac.

Or, can we just upgrade the DVD drive to a DL readable drive? I have one sitting around maybe that would work to just boot of the Install DVD directly???
It will boot off FW HDD/optical drive. You can also use another Mac's DVD drive in TDM. If you want to upgrade internal DVD to more modern one, any should work, but you'll need to remove drive's bezel and tray bezel to fit drive in its place properly.
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Or, can we just upgrade the DVD drive to a DL readable drive? I have one sitting around maybe that would work to just boot of the Install DVD directly???
Any DVD drive should be able to read a DVD-DL disc as it is part of the standard. The main limitation on DL disc is writing.

Now if it is a writable DVD DL, then it may not read it, but if it is a pressed DVD DL, there should not be a problem.
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Hi.

I have the same problem. I have a Mac Mini from december 2012 with Lion Mountan 10.8 and it doesnot boot from pendrive. (Pendrive is working good. I tested on other Mac)

I try to boot, rebooting MAC and pressing ALT, I choose USB Penrive and appears a circule with /.

Anybody can boot Mac Mini from pendrive?
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