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Old Mar 1, 2014, 04:38 PM   #1
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iTunes outgrowing my 4tb drive

So I have then adding to my iTunes library quite a bit lately, and now my 4 TB drive is about to run out of space. I have a Probox with room for a total of 16tb. How do I best go about expanding my iTunes library at this point? The majority of my iTunes library are my HD movies. I would like to keep the next storage solution to a reasonable cost (ie, not a $600 box plus another $600 in drives), and keep the storage as a DAS to my late 2012 Mac Mini. The Mac mini acts as my itunes and photo server for my house.

Right now I have three 4tb Seagate drives in my Probox. Should I buy a fourth, and try to do a RAID 0 on the first two drives, then back them up on the next two drives?

Any input is greatly appreciated.
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 06:30 PM   #2
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So I have then adding to my iTunes library quite a bit lately, and now my 4 TB drive is about to run out of space. I have a Probox with room for a total of 16tb. How do I best go about expanding my iTunes library at this point? The majority of my iTunes library are my HD movies. I would like to keep the next storage solution to a reasonable cost (ie, not a $600 box plus another $600 in drives), and keep the storage as a DAS to my late 2012 Mac Mini. The Mac mini acts as my itunes and photo server for my house.

Right now I have three 4tb Seagate drives in my Probox. Should I buy a fourth, and try to do a RAID 0 on the first two drives, then back them up on the next two
Any input is greatly appreciated.
iTunes can span multiple drives as long as you turn off the "copy to..." Option in preferences. Mine actually spans 4 different drives because I keep my music on one RAID 1, my iTunes purchases on my OS drive, my DVD rips on another RAID 1, and my BluRay rips on a 3rd RAID 1.
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 07:40 PM   #3
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iTunes can span multiple drives as long as you turn off the "copy to..." Option in preferences. Mine actually spans 4 different drives because I keep my music on one RAID 1, my iTunes purchases on my OS drive, my DVD rips on another RAID 1, and my BluRay rips on a 3rd RAID 1.
Should I set up a RAID disk or JBOD to do this?
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 07:57 PM   #4
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Should I set up a RAID disk or JBOD to do this?
Why even bother with that? Just throw another drive at iTunes. Just mKe sure you have some kind of backup plan....
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 08:42 PM   #5
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Forgive my ignorance, but how do I add a drive and let itunes know that different data is on separate drives?
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 09:07 PM   #6
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Forgive my ignorance, but how do I add a drive and let itunes know that different data is on separate drives?
in your itunes settings, go to advanced, and if you uncheck the option to "copy files to itunes media folder when adding to library" then itunes will read the file from wherever it is dropped into itunes from.

for example, i have an internal hdd with music, and external with tv/movies. music is stored and read from the internal, and when i rip a movie i transfer it to my external, drag it into itunes, and thats it. so you can just keep adding external drives
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 09:33 PM   #7
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in your itunes settings, go to advanced, and if you uncheck the option to "copy files to itunes media folder when adding to library" then itunes will read the file from wherever it is dropped into itunes from.

for example, i have an internal hdd with music, and external with tv/movies. music is stored and read from the internal, and when i rip a movie i transfer it to my external, drag it into itunes, and thats it. so you can just keep adding external drives
Okay, gotcha. Thank you for simplifying the process. I was starting to look at storage sot ions that we're going to cost me hundreds of dollars, but I already have the drives and system setup for this.
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 10:08 PM   #8
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Okay, gotcha. Thank you for simplifying the process. I was starting to look at storage sot ions that we're going to cost me hundreds of dollars, but I already have the drives and system setup for this.
So you have 12tb of storage? Do you have it set up so each drive is read individually? I personally have four 3tb drives in a drobo 5d which is essentially a raid 5 set up.
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 10:11 PM   #9
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So you have 12tb of storage? Do you have it set up so each drive is read individually? I personally have four 3tb drives in a drobo 5d which is essentially a raid 5 set up.
They are read individually. They are in a Mediasonic Probox
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Old Mar 1, 2014, 11:14 PM   #10
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They are read individually. They are in a Mediasonic Probox
Got it. Raid 5 offers enough protection for me. A single drive failure and my data is intact. I have yet to have a single drive fail.
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I am doing my iTunes media drive another way, as I found that I liked having iTunes manage my library all in one place vs a reference library of links.

I use a JBOD setup consisting of two external firewire drives, a WD 3tb and a WD 2 tb.

Of course, there is no redundancy with a JBOD, so I have two more drives (USB 2) as a Backup JBOD. These also consist of a 3tb & 2 tb drive set.

I use Superduper to clone the firewire JBOD to the usb JBOD sets, and to keep them in sync whenever I connect the USB drives. I usually keep the USB drives disconnected unless I am actually going to sync them, Superduper has an option to run automatically upon connecting the USB drives.

It would be great to get a full raid enclosure, and run with all the drives as one unit, but I find this setup to be easier as I already had the existing USB & firewire external drives.
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Old Mar 2, 2014, 12:50 AM   #12
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Very interesting. I'll look into that as well.
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Old Mar 2, 2014, 04:10 AM   #13
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..and when i rip a movie i transfer it to my external, drag it into itunes, and thats it. so you can just keep adding external drives
This is very interesting to me, as I am in the process of building an iTunes library and use it centrally as a media server for my place. I currently have a 1T Toshiba external carrying it around and sometimes hooking it up to my Extreme if I know I won't be traveling or something similar.

So my question is if I have several external hooked up on several points on the network, I can open my iTunes main library and "Ctrl + O" a file on any external and having that file added to my library but not adding the size of the file to the external the library is on?
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This is very interesting to me, as I am in the process of building an iTunes library and use it centrally as a media server for my place. I currently have a 1T Toshiba external carrying it around and sometimes hooking it up to my Extreme if I know I won't be traveling or something similar.

So my question is if I have several external hooked up on several points on the network, I can open my iTunes main library and "Ctrl + O" a file on any external and having that file added to my library but not adding the size of the file to the external the library is on?
not quite sure exactly what you're asking, however, i can tell you itunes will read a file regardless of where it is located, as long as you tell it where it is. this is all dependent on having the setting where itunes copies files added to the library to its own folder off. when such setting is on, itunes will copy the file that you add from the external, and place it in the itunes library to read it from there.
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not quite sure exactly what you're asking, however, i can tell you itunes will read a file regardless of where it is located, as long as you tell it where it is. this is all dependent on having the setting where itunes copies files added to the library to its own folder off. when such setting is on, itunes will copy the file that you add from the external, and place it in the itunes library to read it from there.
I have done the same thing in regards to an iTunes library. However it is hit or miss on playback. Sometimes a video won't play, sometimes no audio. They are all encoded correctly, now that I use plex and not a single issue
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Speaking of 4TB drives what's the most reliable? I'm currently using a 3TB WD Red drive and planning to move up to a 4TB drive eventually.
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I am doing my iTunes media drive another way, as I found that I liked having iTunes manage my library all in one place vs a reference library of links.

I use a JBOD setup consisting of two external firewire drives, a WD 3tb and a WD 2 tb.

Of course, there is no redundancy with a JBOD, so I have two more drives (USB 2) as a Backup JBOD. These also consist of a 3tb & 2 tb drive set.

I use Superduper to clone the firewire JBOD to the usb JBOD sets, and to keep them in sync whenever I connect the USB drives. I usually keep the USB drives disconnected unless I am actually going to sync them, Superduper has an option to run automatically upon connecting the USB drives.

It would be great to get a full raid enclosure, and run with all the drives as one unit, but I find this setup to be easier as I already had the existing USB & firewire external drives.
I think I am going to go a route similar to this. I don't want to spend another $500-600 to buy a RAID Array, and would rather turn my Mediasonic Probox into two JBOD 8 TB drives. One would hold iTunes, and the other would be a backup that I can pull out of the Mediasonic Probox and keep somewhere else.

Did you just use the Disk Utility program to do this?

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Speaking of 4TB drives what's the most reliable? I'm currently using a 3TB WD Red drive and planning to move up to a 4TB drive eventually.
I have been using Seagate 4tb internal drives (about $155 on Amazon) for over a year and (knock on wood) have had good performance with them.
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Yes, I used disk utility to create the raid drives, and superduper to copy the "permanent" drive onto backup raid for redundancy.

Here is the guide I used:
http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/ss/raidjbod_2.htm
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What a long month it has been. I tried doing the JBOD format using disk utility, and combined 4 4 terabyte hard drives into 2 8 terabyte hard drives. It worked for about a week, but then JBOD 1, which housed my 4+ terabyte itunes library stopped being able to write to the disks. I did a backup on JBOD 2, ejected JBOD 2 for safe keeping, and reformatted JBOD 1 (iTunes). After the reformat, and creating JBOD1 again, I was ready to copy my itunes backup from JBOD 2. When I inserted the two 4 tb drives, osx couldn't recognize one of the drives. Fast forward to a week later, and paying a data revovery company $500, and I had 95% of my data recovered.

Needless to say, I am no longer using the JBOD format. I got a Drobo 5D, and am looking for the right hard drives to use in it, and that will be my main and only itunes library once I load it with 5 4tb drives using double redundancy.

Have no idea what happened with the JBOD sets, but I will never do that again. I could have nearly purchased the Drobo 5D for what I paid in data recovery.
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What a long month it has been. I tried doing the JBOD format using disk utility, and combined 4 4 terabyte hard drives into 2 8 terabyte hard drives. It worked for about a week, but then JBOD 1, which housed my 4+ terabyte itunes library stopped being able to write to the disks. I did a backup on JBOD 2, ejected JBOD 2 for safe keeping, and reformatted JBOD 1 (iTunes). After the reformat, and creating JBOD1 again, I was ready to copy my itunes backup from JBOD 2. When I inserted the two 4 tb drives, osx couldn't recognize one of the drives. Fast forward to a week later, and paying a data revovery company $500, and I had 95% of my data recovered.

Needless to say, I am no longer using the JBOD format. I got a Drobo 5D, and am looking for the right hard drives to use in it, and that will be my main and only itunes library once I load it with 5 4tb drives using double redundancy.

Have no idea what happened with the JBOD sets, but I will never do that again. I could have nearly purchased the Drobo 5D for what I paid in data recovery.
That sounds more like 2 x RAID0 stripes created, if combined 4 x 4 into two x 8, so that isn't JBOD which would have been 4 x 4Tb Drives.
If one disk in a RAID0 goes then the complete RAID Volume is no longer accessible.

Reading your entry then it sounds like you started to have problems on the first RAID and so backed up from one RAID0 to the Second RAID0 and then formatted the first RAID0 and your Second RAID0 had a disk fail so was lost, or possibly backed up the issue that was having that prevented writing to the 1st RAID0, and this corrupted the Second RAID0.

If looking at the Drobo5D then would suggest the WD Reds, or Seagate NAS drives. Both are mentioned on the Drobo site. The Seagate NAS may be 5900 but for serving iTunes this is fine.
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I have to ask the question what is you back-up strategy?
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So I have then adding to my iTunes library quite a bit lately, and now my 4 TB drive is about to run out of space. I have a Probox with room for a total of 16tb. How do I best go about expanding my iTunes library at this point? The majority of my iTunes library are my HD movies. I would like to keep the next storage solution to a reasonable cost (ie, not a $600 box plus another $600 in drives), and keep the storage as a DAS to my late 2012 Mac Mini. The Mac mini acts as my itunes and photo server for my house.

Right now I have three 4tb Seagate drives in my Probox. Should I buy a fourth, and try to do a RAID 0 on the first two drives, then back them up on the next two drives?

Any input is greatly appreciated.
I thought this idea of terrabytes of storage holding hours of music was all over. Why not just join Spotify or Google Unlimited? All the music you want.

Say you're about to spend $600 in storage, that's 5yrs of premium Spotify membership. And that's not including the amount you'd spend buying more music to fill the extra storage.

Problem solved!
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I thought this idea of terrabytes of storage holding hours of music was all over. Why not just join Spotify or Google Unlimited? All the music you want.
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hmm...
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hmm...
Oh, sorry. I forgot iTunes also did the movies side of things. I've always thought they should change the name.

Well, there's always Netflix etc., too...
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I have to ask the question what is you back-up strategy?
I was using smart backup from Mac OSX store, but when I was using the JBOD setup, I might have copied a corrupted disk set.

Now I am going to use a Drobo 5D with 3 or 4 4tb drives as my main itunes library, then have a software RAID set up with 2 4tb drives in an enclosure for backup.

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Oh, sorry. I forgot iTunes also did the movies side of things. I've always thought they should change the name.

Well, there's always Netflix etc., too...
Yeah, my music collection is only about 60 gb, the movie side is 3.6tb and growing.
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