Apple Fined $1.2 Million in Italy Over Warranty Disclosure Issues

This is not just happening in Italy, but EU wide. There is a standard 2-year warrenty for all pc/laptops ect here.

The fine is 100% correct and could be higher.

1.2 million?! Apple is finished!

persanally, i fully agree.
1 year is too little and making people spend even more $ for safety aside those $$$ for products is totally wrong.

Skika said:

1.2 million?! Apple is finished!

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For better or worse, Tim Cook could find $1.2 million between the cushions of the couch in the executive lounge.

iekozz said:

This is not just happening in Italy, but EU wide. There is a standard 2-year warrenty for all pc/laptops ect here.

The fine is 100% correct and could be higher.

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This extended warranty business is very profitable. Same happens with cars, electro-domestic appliances, etc.
Most extended warranties overlap the standard warranty instead of adding to it. That's definitely not fair.
This is not only Apple's problem; it's happening almost everywhere.

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Shrink said:

For better or worse, Tim Cook could find $1.2 million between the cushions of the couch in the executive lounge.

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LOL...

Yeah, it's just pocket change, no need to break the Piggy Bank.

Now, imagine $1.2M in quarters!!!

As a legal requirement here in the UK i never expect companies to have to advertise the 2 year warranty because everybody in the country should already know about it.

iekozz said:

This is not just happening in Italy, but EU wide. There is a standard 2-year warrenty for all pc/laptops ect here.

The fine is 100% correct and could be higher.

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Slow down, cowboy. In the UK, the product has to last "a reasonable time", which depends on the product. And after more than six months (if the manufacturer didn't give you a years warranty) you have to _prove_ that the fault was present when you bought the product.

Now if you have a problem with an Apple product bought at an Apple Store, chances are quite good that you will get it fixed for free. With other stores, they can put up a fight (as will Apple, depending on the situation, and maybe depending on how much of a jerk the customer is). They can just ask you to prove that the fault was present when you bought the product. Which means finding someone who is competent with that kind of product, checking it, and writing a report for you. Obviously that means a customer was lost forever, but if the seller doesn't care, things are difficult. If the fault was present, the seller can then argue that the product _did_ last a reasonable time. Admittedly if an MBP broke down after 23 months I wouldn't say it lasted a reasonable amount of time, but for a cheap laptop that could be argued. And of course _if_ the seller argues, whether they are right or wrong, it makes it harder for you to get your rights.

I am sure Apple will now tell you before you buy AppleCare that you may have rights beyond your warranty, depending on the exact situation. You can then decide whether you want to take your chances or not. And remember that AppleCare also gives you one year free support, and will cover your device in situations where it is not covered by the law.

The EU is collapsing, and this is what they spend their time with?

Given that the dollar/euro exchange rate is prone to fluctuate, it would be more accurate to quote the fine in the terms in which is was levied (ca. €900,000 I think I read on the BBC)

SPUY767 said:

The EU is collapsing, and this is what they spend their time with?

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This is nothing to do with the EU. It is about the enforcement of laws created by the EU in Italy as it is the responsibility of all member states to implement EU law.

Truffy said:

Given that the dollar/euro exchange rate is prone to fluctuate, it would be more accurate to quote the fine in the terms in which is was levied (ca. €900,000 I think I read on the BBC)

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Agreed. I think it is insulting that the author thinks his audience does not know how much €900,000 is.

gnasher729 said:

Slow down, cowboy. In the UK, the product has to last "a reasonable time", which depends on the product. And after more than six months (if the manufacturer didn't give you a years warranty) you have to _prove_ that the fault was present when you bought the product.

Now if you have a problem with an Apple product bought at an Apple Store, chances are quite good that you will get it fixed for free. With other stores, they can put up a fight (as will Apple, depending on the situation, and maybe depending on how much of a jerk the customer is). They can just ask you to prove that the fault was present when you bought the product. Which means finding someone who is competent with that kind of product, checking it, and writing a report for you. Obviously that means a customer was lost forever, but if the seller doesn't care, things are difficult.

I am sure Apple will now tell you before you buy AppleCare that you may have rights beyond your warranty, depending on the exact situation. You can then decide whether you want to take your chances or not. And remember that AppleCare also gives you one year free support, and will cover your device in situations where it is not covered by the law.

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This is not ture. you do not have to prove anything just like the Magnum-Moss Warranty Act for vehicles. its upto them to prove it was not the products fault. Also a problem does not have to be present when you bought the product at all. i have sold electronics for over 25 years and this has never been the case. there would be uproar if it was.

Typical italian ********tism.

kurosov said:

As a legal requirement here in the UK i never expect companies to have to advertise the 2 year warranty because everybody in the country should already know about it.

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I recently move to UK and I couldn't believe that everywhere they were saying about 1 year warranty. I even had a strong arguement with a Game store manager when I bought my PS3, cause I knew that all electronic devices, including PS3 should have 2 years warranty base on EU law. I 'm studying Computing and in a lecture about Data Protection Law we cover cases where the EU law overlaps UK law and the EU should be consider to be the valid one. I think people should be informed about this and ask for their extra year instead of having to "buy" it, like Dell, PCWorld and other electronics giants in the UK marketplace wants.

As for the Italy case:
This is pathetic in my opinion, not the action, but the reason behind it. The only reason Italy does it NOW is cause they are in deep troubles with their own economy and trying to farm money out of everywhere before they end-up like Greece. As a Cypriot, I know that Greece government is doing the same, suddenly remember all those consumers' rights and decided to fine companies.

It's a shame the fine wasn't higher, like when McLaren had to pay a fine back in 2009 for illegally obtaining plans for Ferrari's following year F1 car. McLaren was fined $100 million.

Athonline said:

I recently move to UK and I couldn't believe that everywhere they were saying about 1 year warranty. I even had a strong arguement with a Game store manager when I bought my PS3, cause I knew that all electronic devices, including PS3 should have 2 years warranty base on EU law. I 'm studying Computing and in a lecture about Data Protection Law we cover cases where the EU law overlaps UK law and the EU should be consider to be the valid one. I think people should be informed about this and ask for their extra year instead of having to "buy" it, like Dell, PCWorld and other electronics giants in the UK marketplace wants.

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In the UK we don't have just the 2 year warranty. For items like washing machines they are expected to work fault free for the expected lifetime of the machine. Meaning you are protected from faults on such things for 5-10 years in some cases. The amount of TV shows and consumer rights articles/pamphlets around explaining these rights is excessive enough.

Store managers are just morons who get promoted because they make a better lackey than the rest of the staff, Assert your rights and there is little they can do. I usually bring a dictaphone and start recording a conversation if it gets heated on their side.

Angryipadguy said:

This is not ture. you do not have to prove anything just like the Magnum-Moss Warranty Act for vehicles. its upto them to prove it was not the products fault. Also a problem does not have to be present when you bought the product at all. i have sold electronics for over 25 years and this has never been the case. there would be uproar if it was.

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You are wrong. First, Magnum-Moss doesn't really apply because of the 3000 miles of water between USA and Europe. Second, within the first six months the seller has to prove that that the problem wasn't caused by a fault that was present when the product was sold; after six months it is up to the customer. Of course "fault" and "problem" is not the same: If the manufacturer of a car forgets to protect against rust, that is a "fault" that is present the day you buy the car. The "problem" that your car falls apart happens years later, but is due to the "fault" that was there on day one.

kurosov said:

In the UK we don't have just the 2 year warranty. For items like washing machines they are expected to work fault free for the expected lifetime of the machine. Meaning you are protected from faults on such things for 5-10 years in some cases. The amount of TV shows and consumer rights articles/pamphlets around explaining these rights is excessive enough.

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You are _never_ protected for more than six years. Six years is the point in time where the seller can completely ignore whatever you are saying, unless you have a contract that says otherwise. And I have never seen _any_ article / pamphlet that says "you have two years warranty"; and I'd challenge you to show it. All we have in the UK is the rather vague rule that a device must last for a _reasonable_ amount of time, and that it is the seller's responsibility. I'd also like to see a clear statement somewhere that says it becomes the manufacturer's responsibility if the seller goes out of business; I can't find that anywhere so it might not be the case.

And good to see the voting system at work. Do these people think that voting me down gets the UK laws changed?

iekozz said:

This is not just happening in Italy, but EU wide. There is a standard 2-year warrenty for all pc/laptops ect here.

The fine is 100% correct and could be higher.

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Yup... It helps that Italy is broke, and they need any pocket change they can find... What does Italy do with the money now?

SPUY767 said:

The EU is collapsing, and this is what they spend their time with?

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Especially Italy, plus some others (Spain, Greece etc.) are broke, so a quick 1.2 million from Apple probably pays for some politician perks

AppleScruff1 said:

It's a shame the fine wasn't higher, like when McLaren had to pay a fine back in 2009 for illegally obtaining plans for Ferrari's following year F1 car. McLaren was fined $100 million.

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Why do you care so much? What is your take from this fine?

SPUY767 said:

The EU is collapsing, and this is what they spend their time with?

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It is?

i.mac said:

Why do you care so much? What is your take from this fine?

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It's just thrilling to see a true example from one of the countries with the higher litigation per inhabitants ratio. Great stuff from Italy, as always.

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not to worry - aapl is developing the i-espresso machine which will sell hundreds of million worldwide

Well, there's always money in the banana stand In case needs it

In practice the warranty on products is usually related to how much noise you make in the store. I went into an Orange store with a fried to return his faulty Android phone. Because it was purchased as pay as you go they were saying a 6 month warranty. He was about to leave and I said he should kick up a fuss. He got a replacement shipped out next day.
I think if network operators are trying to get people on 18 and 24 month contracts then it's pretty hard for them to argue the product (handset) is designed to last any less to e than that.